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Torpedo Transforumer

Joined: 21 Apr 2011 Posts: 1919 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, it doesn't have to be really controversial; it's mostly just an opinion that probably isn't shared by the majority of Joe fans.
For example, you might say the team should incorporate more weird-looking firefighters like Barbeque. Most fans would think that's ridiculous.
If, however, I said, G.I. Joe should have fewer ethnic minorities because they make me uncomfortable, that's a "controversial" opinion I should keep to myself.  _________________ Author of Mr. Smartass, available for Amazon's Kindle, iPad/iPhone, and other e-reader devices and apps. |
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Veritas I'm kind of a big deal

Joined: 23 Jul 2011 Posts: 226
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Torpedo wrote: | Yeah, it doesn't have to be really controversial; it's mostly just an opinion that probably isn't shared by the majority of Joe fans.
For example, you might say the team should incorporate more weird-looking firefighters like Barbeque. Most fans would think that's ridiculous.
If, however, I said, G.I. Joe should have fewer ethnic minorities because they make me uncomfortable, that's a "controversial" opinion I should keep to myself.  |
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maczero Transforumer

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Torpedo wrote: | If, however, I said, G.I. Joe should have fewer ethnic minorities because they make me uncomfortable, that's a "controversial" opinion I should keep to myself.  | Offensive yet funny.  _________________ Need to buy, rent or sell a home in DC or Northern VA, then contact me at realtorva@verizon.net |
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Antarctica Forum Zombie

Joined: 29 May 2008 Posts: 493 Location: Swaziland, Africa & Los Angeles
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Torpedo wrote: |
For example, you might say the team should incorporate more weird-looking firefighters like Barbeque. Most fans would think that's ridiculous.
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In ARAH #172, Barbeque has THE greatest line he ever spoke and possibly in the Top 20 all time.
For those of you who didnt read it. A Tomahawk filled with injured Joes is about crash on the USS Flagg. Lifeline has a trama team ready. And says to Barbeque "I'll keep my teams out of your way until you get the fire under control. But if I have to go into the aircraft while it's still on fire . . . Then Barbeque interupts saying "If you have to go in there Lifeline, I'll get you in."
JUST AWESOME.
Anyway, small defense for Barbeque. Back to the controversy.  _________________ GI Joe comic fan since 1982
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Torpedo Transforumer

Joined: 21 Apr 2011 Posts: 1919 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| maczero wrote: | Offensive yet funny.  |
That's what I aim for. _________________ Author of Mr. Smartass, available for Amazon's Kindle, iPad/iPhone, and other e-reader devices and apps. |
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Torpedo Transforumer

Joined: 21 Apr 2011 Posts: 1919 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Antarctica wrote: | | Anyway, small defense for Barbeque. |
I haven't read the issue yet but I'm looking forward to it because I want to see Barbeque presented respectably. While the IDW G.I. Joe book can kill Barbeque off at whim in CCW #0, Larry Hama can--as you say--make him a credible, formidable character with one line of dialogue.
And for as goofy as they sometimes seemed, I always had a fondness for guys like Blowtorch, Airtight and Barbeque. Their garish appearances and super-specific specialties made them unique standouts in the early/mid 80's. Then, ten years later, the Battle Corps, Star Brigade, Mega-Marines and Eco-Warriors, made those outlandish costumes the standard and that ruined their uniqueness. _________________ Author of Mr. Smartass, available for Amazon's Kindle, iPad/iPhone, and other e-reader devices and apps. |
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shanecdavis Transforumer
Joined: 11 Jul 2008 Posts: 1796 Location: Saratoga Springs, UT
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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From the first day he disgraced the comic with his first appearance, I have severely disliked Barbecue. One of the stupidest concepts ever for a special forces group. A fireman. An effing fireman!!! I groaned and grimaced every time he appeared in a Joe comic. Stupid concept that couldn't ever be taken seriously.
Until #172.
Larry Hama, as he has done countless times before, took a worthless, piece of crap, sorry excuse of a character and with one line, erased decades of negative feelings and made me like the character. That one line really hit home with me. As I said in the ARAH 172 thread, that right there is what drew me into G.I. Joe and one of the many reasons I joined the Marine Corps. That is what was missing throughout the DDP run (with Joe: Declassified the obvious exception) and so far in most of the IDW run. Brandon Jerwa is the second best Joe writer, but even he couldn't quite present the Joes in this light (as RB6/Viceroy reminds us over and over). I even let out an "Ooooh-rah" after reading it. Just a great moment.
Barbecue assigned to the US Flagg works. Barbecue assigned to a large special forces group is just plain stupid. It's moments like this that make me VERY happy we have our ARAH title back, and I'm looking forward to many more of these kind of moments in the future. |
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m6d I'm kind of a big deal

Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 244 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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IDW is contradicting not only the DDP Universe, but Marvel and their own ARAH universe with the release of Transformers 80.5, ignoring the events of G2 and thus anything from GIJoe #138 on.
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Viceroy Transforumer
Joined: 11 Jul 2008 Posts: 1289 Location: Manila, Republic Of the Philippines
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I don't know if these will qualify as "Controversial", but here we go:
1)The events of 9/11 should be part of the GI Joe ARAH /IDW canon: if Marvel's Superhero titles can integrate them into their storyarcs (See Amazing Spider Man Vol. 2 #36 and Captain America -Marvel Knights- #1) then GI Joe should too.
2)General Joseph Colton should have been the GI Joe Field Commander since Operation: Lady Doomsday. How come Hasbro didn't involve him sooner? He's a great character and as he's a Green Beret, he's more qualified to lead a Spec Ops Anti Terrorist Team.
3)We should've seen Scarlett, Lady Jaye, and Jinx on solo missions and acting more like spies more often: Scarlett, LJ and Jinx are supposed to be GI Joe's Intel agents and we should have seen them on missions more often. Acting alone. Too often their tied to team efforts or to their respective significant others. Since Scarlett and Lady J are eseentially opposites, it would have been interesting to see just how good they are on their own.
4)Larry Hama should write a story that commented on the Don't Ask/Don't Tell policy. Since its now lifted, it should make a good tale.
As for Barbeque. Be thankful. The Joes I can't stand are Quick Kick (with that get up? What was Hasbro thinking? Even the Dreadnoks dress more decently.), Muskrat (a rip off of Crocodile Dundee) and Big Lob.
The main flaw with Barbecue is that his area of expertise is limited. He really should've been packaged with the USS Flagg along with Keel Haul and Shipwreck. _________________ "Let us renew our faith and our hope. We have every right to dream heroic dreams!"
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shanecdavis Transforumer
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Well, considering this thread is for opinions of those that very few people would agree with, I think each one of those fits very well here. |
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m6d I'm kind of a big deal

Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 244 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: |
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IDW dropped the ball with the Cobra Commander event.
The renumbering and past seven months of stories have led up to tomorrow's issue and there hasn't been a peep to promote it, other than what appears to be the revealed cover over at Graham Cracker comics, and that has only been talked about over at Joereloaded.
This is supposed to be the biggest issue of the year, with a new Cobra Commander being named, and should be promoted as such. |
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m6d I'm kind of a big deal

Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 244 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Finally a peep! |
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CrazyK Transforumer
Joined: 14 Mar 2009 Posts: 1107 Location: Newbury Park, CA
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Viceroy wrote: |
1)The events of 9/11 should be part of the GI Joe ARAH /IDW canon: if Marvel's Superhero titles can integrate them into their storyarcs (See Amazing Spider Man Vol. 2 #36 and Captain America -Marvel Knights- #1) then GI Joe should too. |
That was one of the dumbest moves ever on Marvel's part. Thor, Cap, Iron Man, Storm, Jean Grey, The Silver Surfer, The Fantastic Four, etc, etc, can save the planet from a full scale alien invasion week after week; but they can't stop two planes from hitting a building? And having Kingpin and Doom and Doc Ock help out after? Yeah, cause Doc Ock hasn't killed hundreds of civilians in his life. While I think Joe is a BETTER universe to have that take place, I think whenever you introduce a very real world event into comics (and not use that event to alter the universe itself, like both companies do with WWII), you risk having too many fans take themselves right out of the story and question the very universe they are witnessing.
For example: AIDS. You are telling me that Reed Richards cannot find a cure for AIDS? Really? He invented unstable molecules so that every costume in the MU can move with and withstand the rigors of super-heroing. But a terrible disease that affects thousands and thousands and leads to a horrible death? "Yeah, I don't have the time." Cancer, AIDS and the common cold would not exist in the MU if we really thought about it. _________________ "I... I don't believe it..."
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Viceroy Transforumer
Joined: 11 Jul 2008 Posts: 1289 Location: Manila, Republic Of the Philippines
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Torpedo wrote: | Yeah, it doesn't have to be really controversial; it's mostly just an opinion that probably isn't shared by the majority of Joe fans.
For example, you might say the team should incorporate more weird-looking firefighters like Barbeque. Most fans would think that's ridiculous.
If, however, I said, G.I. Joe should have fewer ethnic minorities because they make me uncomfortable, that's a "controversial" opinion I should keep to myself.  |
Well, since the USA is considered the "Big Melting Pot" multi ethnicity is unavoidable. In Toyfare #105, Larry Hama stated that Marvel's Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandoes were an inspiration for GI Joe and Nick Fury's WWII Team was of mix ethnicity: Gabriel Jones was Black; Dino Manelli is Italian American; Robert "Rebel" Ralston was a good ol' boy from Kentucky; Pinky Pinkerton (Who Stan Lee hinted in a Wizard sidebar was gay) is British. And SHIELD which was also an inspiration for GI Joe is international in nature. Its unavoidable and doesn't really hurt the concept.
Here are 3 more
1. Larry Hama or even the DDP gang should have developed the celebrity side of the Joes known to have such status (ie Lady J is an accomplished actress and mime; Cover Girl is a model; Snow Job was an Olympic Biathlon Contender-noted by General Joe Colton, etc.) It would've given more room to develop ideas. (Ie Lady J is on an assignment and she's remembered by a few bystanders from her days on stage and screen)
2. The Greenshirts are the worst idea for personnel ever espoused in GI Joe.
3. (NB: if you aren't open minded enough, this may not be for you): What if Larry had one of the female Joes ...dishonored during the course of a mission. Either Scarlett (Hot Potato or Cobra Commander's plans for her as Destro noted in GI Joe #22) or Lady Jaye (GI Joe #128 when she got clocked.) That would really shake the fandom up. And if GI Joe had been under DC's Mature Readers Line or Marvel's Marvel Knights line had it existed back then, it may have happened.) _________________ "Let us renew our faith and our hope. We have every right to dream heroic dreams!"
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Torpedo Transforumer

Joined: 21 Apr 2011 Posts: 1919 Location: Vermont
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Viceroy wrote: | | Well, since the USA is considered the "Big Melting Pot" multi ethnicity is unavoidable. In Toyfare #105, Larry Hama stated that Marvel's Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandoes were an inspiration for GI Joe and Nick Fury's WWII Team was of mix ethnicity: Gabriel Jones was Black; Dino Manelli is Italian American; Robert "Rebel" Ralston was a good ol' boy from Kentucky; Pinky Pinkerton (Who Stan Lee hinted in a Wizard sidebar was gay) is British. And SHIELD which was also an inspiration for GI Joe is international in nature. Its unavoidable and doesn't really hurt the concept. |
I love the diversity in ethnicity among the Joes, though it's always struck me that there doesn't seem to be very many of Latin-American/Hispanic descent. Other than Zap, one of the original 13, I can't think of any right now. _________________ Author of Mr. Smartass, available for Amazon's Kindle, iPad/iPhone, and other e-reader devices and apps. |
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