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raith
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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:48 pm Post subject: Angel & Faith: "Their" take on Angel |
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Welcome to the Angel & Faith thread. Anything related to A&F should be posted here so that it won't get lost in the sea that is Buffy information. Anyone is welcome to post previews, news, and interviews concerning the new series. So Enjoy! Now, let's go to work.
Angel and Faith #1 Incentive Georges Jeanty Dark Horse 25th Anniversary Variant Cover
Angel and Faith #1 Incentive Jo Chen Variant Cover
Angel and Faith #1 Regular Steve Morris Cover
Writer: Christos Gage. Artist: Rebekah Isaacs
On sale Aug 31
FC, 40 pages $2.99
Ongoing
"Left in a near-catatonic state following the events in Buffy Season 8, Angel will need a seriously rude awakening if he’s to make amends for his ill-conceived deeds. Enter rebel Slayer with a cause—Faith Lehane full access to the Watcher files and opportunities to make amends for all they’ve done" • Christos Gage (Avenger’s Academy) and Rebekah Isaacs (DV8)! • Executive producer by Joss Whedon! Angel and Faith™ & © 2011 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. All rights reserved.
Previews: http://buffyfest.blogspot.com/2011/06/scott-allie-goes-tweet-happy-with-dark.html
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/popcandy/post/2011/07/exclusive-preview-angel-and-faith-1/1
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Buffyversefantic
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Thanks for opening this.Issue 1 is out tomorrow. 
One add on to consider.Angel & Faith news(previews,covers,solicitations,interviews etc etc) should go in here but if it's like an interview that covers both books like with editor Scott Allie or Joss himself,then I'll probably put that in the Buffy thread. |
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Buffyversefantic
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It's out tomorrow but we got even more Angel & Faith #1 preview pages that have been released.
http://www.previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=6&s=783&ai=112379&ssd=
You know it feels like I've already read half the issue already with so many preview pages that have been released.
But I really love these.They give context to the other preview pages with that were already released.Plus we get a great Giles flashback that is setting up part of the premise of the series which is basically the Ripper project but with Angel & Faith taken over the premise a bit.These preview pages really feel like a taste of what the BBC Ripper project was going to be.
Here's all of the preview pages together.I tried to put them in their possible correct order but I could be off.I don't think I've missed any.
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raith
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Awesome, I absolutely love Rebekah's artwork. I hope she can illustrate powerful, emotional moments as well as Urru and Casagrande has. What we know so far about the story without spoiling are:
* Angel has big plans to redeem himself-revealed at the end of issue #1
* Angel and Faith are using Giles' research to solve the mysteries surrounding them
* Faith is still training slayers, whom which aren't too fond of Angel
* The Big Bads are connected to Twilight
* A major plot twist will happen that also ties into Buffy's world
I think that Angel, much like when he did what it took to bring baby Connor back, will use any resource needed to achieve his goal, in which it will come with horrible consequences. |
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| Buffyversefantic wrote: | | You know it feels like I've already read half the issue already with so many preview pages that have been released. |
Yeah, so do I.
And I have the feeling that we are going to see LOTS of magic in Both Angel & Faith and Buffy S9, which all just happens to be of the "innate attribute" kind... 
| Quote: | | Here's all of the preview pages together.I tried to put them in their possible correct order but I could be off.I don't think I've missed any. |
We also have Scott Allie's "balloon placement" draft page:
I'm not sure if it should go before or after the other pages of Angel and Faith in Hannah's house. Also, the "You haven't seen what I have" preview panel shows Angel in Hannah's house, so it should go somewhere with those pages too. |
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I have been rewatching any episode of Angel or Buffy which had Angel/Faith interaction. Am looking forward to seeing them interact again after all they have gone through. They have a wonderfully rich history which will hopefully feed into the new series in a big way.
I have had to do a lot of dealing with the fact that this is not a new season of 'Angel', and that there will probably never be a new season of 'Angel' as we knew it. LA, W&H and the PTB are gone. It's no secret that I loathed the Twilight storyline and that I am not happy that Whedon destroyed 'Angel the Series' (and some would say the character) to further Buffy's story (I.M.O). But if I am going to read this series then I need to put it all behind me and out of my head. I am reading it for Angel.
I had to take a break from Whedon related forums for a while because I needed to work through how I felt about the whole thing.I'm going to try to have this be the last time I complain about what has lead to this series, and try and concentrate on looking forward
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raith
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| angeliclestat wrote: | | I have had to do a lot of dealing with the fact that this is not a new season of 'Angel', and that there will probably never be a new season of 'Angel' as we knew it. LA, W&H and the PTB are gone. It's no secret that I loathed the Twilight storyline and that I am not happy that Whedon destroyed 'Angel the Series' (and some would say the character) to further Buffy's story (I.M.O). But if I am going to read this series then I need to put it all behind me and out of my head. I am reading it for Angel. |
I'd like to consider this the new season of Angel yet, most of the aspects that made the series so great, WR&H and LA setting will not be here. That's what made me so cautiously optimistic about the new comics. It's difficult to sustain quality when most of the basis of the stories and characters are absent. Gage indeed has a lot to accomplish with so little of Angel's world.
I also despised most of the non-sensical mess that was S8. Though, I honestly don't believe WR&H are gone for good. Whedon and IDW did so much with them that perhaps the stories regarding them are simply exhausted. I mean, going to hell and havng to endure what he and his friends did, what more terrible actions can they inflict on Angel? WR&H are planning something. They extracted the ship from Spike and the bugs because they knew the whole Twilight ordeal will end badly. Since the ship (from my assesment) doesn't require any magic to run, it's what they need to travel between dimensions to further their plans. But all this is just speculation from an old timer :p.
You're right though, despite all the negativity regarding S8, it's best to just move forward and hope for the best. |
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Spoilers for Angel & Faith #1 from a Whedonesque poster who has their copy.
http://whedonesque.com/comments/27165
| Quote: | Opens with Giles trying to exorcise the demon from the little girl some years back. Failing that he binds the demon to the girl using his blood to seal the demon in. Cut to Angel and Faith fighting the demon now. Turns out when Giles died it allowed the demon to break the seal and return to the girl. By endangering the girls life Angel and Faith remove the demon and kill it. In the process the demons blood gets on Angel, and because it was Giles life keeping the demon in check it floods Angel with memories of Giles' life. Angel is all remorse and Faith tries to ease his pain. Angel calls it a night but Faith goes off to meet a firmer slayer at a club. They talk and the slayer informs her of her plans to kill Angel for allowing, as Twilight, two of his fanatics, a brother sister half demon duo named Nash and pearl to slaughter her slayer squad as he watched. Later on we meet up with Whistler, who is cut from the PTB and has difficulty discerning the future, meeting at bar with Nash and Pearl convincing them to kill Angel as a means of helping restore the balance that was lost when the Seed was destroyed. So Faith has returned home to our brooding prince where he states that by using the Watcher files to help the helpless he also intends on bringing Giles back to life.
END SPOILERS.
And that's the issue. Pretty good I thought. |
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Extra bit from the Whedonesque poster who read the issue.
http://whedonesque.com/comments/27165
| Quote: | @zianna when you read the comic book all of what I summed up will be clearer in context. I can assure you that each player thought/thinks they are helping.
The Goose | August 31, 01:13 CET
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| I continue to admire the artwork ! I do believe that the Angel we saw at the end of Brian's AtF wouldn't have abandoned the world the way he appears to have done in Season 8, so the premise for the current story is hard to come to terms with. That said, alot about this story interests me in a way that the Buffy story really isn't doing. Angel and Faith battling their demons would seem to have more potential for emotional resonance than Buffy finding her place in life as someone in their twenties usually does ! I wasn't going to buy this, but I am being tempted. |
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Thanks for the spoilers and the compiled previews. I wonder if those memories of Giles and Jenny are the happiest day which Giles had to give up in order to seal that demon away.
Is there any word on whether the two half-demons are the ones on the cover of the fourth issue?
What I don't get: Whistler is trying to convince someone to kill Angel in order to fix things? Geeee, who got Angel in this huge mess in the first place? I wonder whose side he's really playing on. |
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Buffyversefantic
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I don't have my copy yet but here's a full summery of Angel & Faith #1 at Whedonesque.
http://whedonesque.com/comments/27174
| Quote: | I gotcher summary right here...
We open with the preview pages of Giles' diary, where he talks about why he has no children over the scene of his battle with the demon possessing the little girl. (The Latin on the first panel translates roughly to "We exorcise you, all impure spirit".) The flashback constitutes the first five pages; on the sixth, it transitions to Faith and Angel fighting the same demon, headed by the closing note from Giles, "May God have mercy on their souls."
Angel vamps out and bites the girl to fool the demon into thinking its host body will die. When it leaves her body, the mother takes her out of the room and Angel and Faith continue to fight the demon's true tentaclicious form. They're hacking at it trying to find a brain when its shell/skin bursts and Angel gets blasted with green slime.
The memory that Giles sacrificed to bind the demon is released, and Angel experiences it, explaining to Faith that he just saw the day that Giles fell in love with Jenny Calendar. He's overwhelmed, but the demon is dead and the mother and child come back into the room. Angel and Faith tell Anne (the mother) that the job is done, and Angel apologizes for biting her daughter and explains why he had to do it.
The next page shows Faith and Angel walking from the house, talking about how they told the mother that Giles sent them. Faith says that it was the right thing to say, for the mother's sake, and asks Angel if he's going to go spacey again now that the job that roused him from his catatonic state is over. He says no, but heads home, telling her she's got places to be.
Next page is Nadira's entrance, where she's attacked by a vampirey-looking person who turns out to be Faith testing her reflexes. They head to a club together, and Faith coaxes her to talk about the death of her squad. Nadira's story is told through a flashback: a brother/sister team of humanoid demon people (their most notable feature is that the arms and legs of both are soaked in blood) are massacring the Slayer team with weapons and eye beams of green light. They're called Pearl and Nash, seem to love what they do, and are supervised by Twilight, who does nothing to stop them.
Nadira says that she almost died and that Willow found her and healed her. She didn't tell Faith about it before now because she'd heard things about her relationship with Buffy, and Buffy's relationship with Angel. She has mixed feelings about Buffy, acknowledging that she's probably already been punished enough, but can't forgive Pearl, Nash, or Angel, and she intends to kill them all. Faith finishes her drink and says, "We all gotta dream."
"Elsewhere": Whistler is doing his patented "the big moments" speech at a bar to someone unseen. He says he's about maintaining balance, that Earth's cut off from the mystic dimension, that he can't contact the PTBs, that his precognition isn't working properly, and that it's Angel's fault - for blowing off what Whistler told him. He asks his audience to help him again. The world still needs to evolve; it's dead but doesn't know it yet, and someone needs to do a lot of ugly damage to save them all. It won't be easy, and they'll probably have to go up against Angel.
On the last panel, he hands a beer to someone whose hand is drenched in blood and who says, "Stop." The next page shows that it's Pearl and Nash against a backdrop of murdered patrons of the bar. They accept Whistler's proposition for the sake of bringing in the next stage of evolution and getting payback on their old boss.
Back at Giles' house, Angel and Faith are arguing about what Nadira told Faith. Angel says that he did enlist Pearl and Nash, part of his plan to bring the bad guys together and focus them so that Buffy could stay strong. He was doing it, he says, to keep the world from going to Hell like LA did (which no one remembers but him). He tried to keep Nash and Pearl contained, but couldn't, and there were times that he was more under Twilight's influence than others, which affects his memories of those times.
However, when Faith offers him the loophole of "it wasn't you", he claims the fault is still with him, because he didn't ask the questions he should have or take what chance he had to think about what he was doing. He was weak, and he has a lot of death on his conscience. Faith says it's good to pick up the ball for Giles, but that Angel has to stop obsessing over it if he wants to take Giles' place.
Angel replies, "Take his place? I could never take his place. I'm going to bring Giles back to life."
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It sounds like Whistler is angry that Angel didn't stay the course and allow Twilight to play out.Buffy convinced Angel to come back to help her stop Twilight which led to the destruction of the seed.Now it sounds like Whistler plans to complete what was supposed to happen with Twilight and evolve to a new plane.Only this time he knows Angel is going to try to stop him. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I have my copy of Angel & Faith #1."Live Through This Part I."
I want to note that I actually picked up all three covers.The Steve Morris one is the regular cover.Jo Chen's and Georges Jeanty's 25th Dark Horse Anniversary covers are more expensive.My store only got two of the Jo Chen cover which were $6.00 a piece.They got only one copy of the Georges Jeanty cover which was $12.00.So I got the only copy of that they had and one of the Jo's. I don't usually byy the more expensive variants comics do but in this case I loved all three covers and figured they weren't that expensive.Plus it is the first issue.Hey it was better than spending $60.00 for the Justice League #1 variant.lol
Onto the issue itself.Really liked it.I was already familiar with Christos Gage through his Marvel work(love his Spider-Man).But I was very impressed with him here because he really had the character's voices down.Angel sounded like Angel.Faith sounded like Faith.Whistler sounded like Whistler.Giles sounded like Giles in the flashback.It's like he's been writing for the Buffyverse for years already.That can be an issue for new writers to the verse.Sometimes it can take them a while to get the feel of the characters if at all.But Gage nailed it IMO in the very first issue.
The story is very intriguing especially the Whistler stuff.The big bads connected to Twilight feel a little stock.They feel more like religious obsessed lackeys.First for Twilight,now for Whistler looking for payback on their former boss.I think I need to see more of them to get a feel.
Loved the Angel and Faith stuff.I feel so sorry for Angel.He really was trying to help both Buffy and the world but he screwed up and he knows it and admitting that he should of investigated what he was being told more.Even when Twilight had taken more control and he was under it's influence more,he's not using that as a excuse.Faith even brings up when he was possessed by Twilight and killed Giles and how that wasn't him,Angel refuses to hide behind that and is taking full responsibility for everything Twilight related.I just really feel for Angel here.
And I love Faith as well.She is most certainly in a bad position with her fellow slayer,Nadira since Nadira wants revenge on Angel and wants to kill him and Faith is protecting him.Love the worried look on her face when she hears what Nadira wants to do.
We all knew about the cliffhanger at the end of the issue with Angel wanting to resurrect Giles.Will be interesting to see Faith's reaction at the beginning of next issue.
On the art side,Rebekah Issacs is the bomb.Loved her art.Very crisp and clean.
Great start to the series.
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| Thanks for the spoilers! Other than the Whistler stuff that has me kind of o.O, everything sounds all kinds of epic. I feel so bad for Giles that he lost that memory =[ I like how he described the feeling of losing it, in the preview. I was reluctant about the series before but now I'm actually super interested to see where it leads. |
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Buffyfest's review of Angel & Faith #1.
http://buffyfest.blogspot.com/2011/08/angel-and-faith-1-reviewed.html
| Quote: | Wednesday, August 31, 2011
Angel and Faith #1- REVIEWED!
What it is: Angel and Faith #1
Who done it: Christos Gage (w), Rebekah Isaacs (a)
When it came out: August 31, 2011
The review:
So Angel is finally officially back in the Dark Horse stable. Depending on whom you ask, that’s either great news or the worst thing ever. However you might feel about rival publishing houses, though, the most important question remains – is this first issue any good?
Yes.
It’s so good, in fact, that it easily outshines DC’s huge new 52 event happening today. Or it should. With a strong story, accurate characterization, some of the best art I’ve seen on any Whedon book, and a story that’s loaded with potential, Angel and Faith #1 hits the ground running and should make even the most jaded fans hungry for more.
For those worrying about the loss of Giles, it’s nice to start with a flashback to a time before his passing. Facing off against a possessed little girl, Giles does exactly what you’d expect him to do – set aside his own safety to protect the innocent. He succeeds, but at a great personal price. In locking away a vicious demon, he sacrificed a part of himself. Specifically, Giles loses the memory of falling in love with Jenny Calendar.
Gage and Isaacs really capture Giles perfectly here. His behavior is totally believable and, in removing this key part of Giles personal history, we get an interesting explanation as to why Giles hasn’t been quite himself these last few years.
From there on out, it’s all about our title characters. Angel and Faith return to that same little girl and finish what Giles started, which they succeed at handily. In fact, it seems that a big element to Angel’s narrative this season will be his need to pick up where Giles left off. Faith, who you might recall received essentially all of Giles’s earthly possessions, also feels the pull to continue the Watcher’s good work.
Faith and Angel are two characters who seemed destined to be under the same banner. They’re both into redemption but their best intentions also have a tendency to pave them straight to hell. They’ve got a shared past, one that has been evolving towards this place for a long time. They trust each other both to not trust each other and that makes for an interesting dynamic that’s not always safe or predictable.
In addition to all that, we get some new villains in the form of Pearl and Nash, two demons whose strength is derived from primal emotions, who used to work for Angel back when he was Twilight. We’ve got Nadia, a former member of the slayer army. We’ve got an ambiguous but probably evil Whistler who still seems bent on bringing about some kind of New World Order. We even get mention of IDW’s Angel: After the Fall.
With a final line that will leave fans arguing for the next month, we’re already in very murky moral territory. That’s exactly where Faith and Angel ought to live.
Christos Gage and Rebekah Isaacs have crafted a near perfect first issue. The only flaw, as some have pointed out, is the need for a better understanding of modern day London. Sounds like a perfect excuse to renew the old passport and take a trip across the pond if ever we heard one.
That’s what we think. How about you?
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Great review Pat.Also great reviews for Flashpoint #5 and Justice League #1.I especially agree about Flashpoint #5.Loved that ending with Barry and Bruce.That was the perfect note to end on especially since Flashpoint was always seen as a Flash/Batman story. |
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