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Buffyversefantic
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Kairos's summary and review of Buffy S9 # 12.
http://perpetual.livejournal.com/116622.html#cutid1
| Quote: | Buffy Season 9 #12, Summary and Review
The first thing we see is Theo's TinCan personal page, showing us his vital stats, some icons of people he knows (all apparently celebrities, though I couldn't identify them all), and a few concerned messages from friends wondering where he is. On the bottom half of the page, however, it turns into a chat between two characters with demon-language names and spooky-eyes icons. They're talking about protecting their investment - by killing Theo. Indeed, in the next panel there's a computer in an empty dark room, and a tentacle creeping toward it.
Kennedy's driving down a dark road; Buffy and Theo are in the back seat talking about how he's using his security clearance to read Wolfram & Hart's messages. Buffy asks if he's sure it's them, since she and Kennedy both believe that they were in another dimension when the Seed was broken, meaning they should be stuck there. Theo reveals that TinCan works from the hell dimension - W&H gave him start up money in exchange for putting their own in his software, and then they used it to create a link to their own dimension. It's technology, not magic, so the link is still there even after all other dimensional portals are gone.
Theo explains that the only way to sever the connection now is to destroy TinCan altogether. It's a big deal - there are customers and partners who are going to lose a lot, and TinCan is important to him personally - but he knows this is the only way. Buffy and Kennedy agree, though Kennedy says that her Slayer bodyguard business can only be involved under the wire, so everything has to go through her. They start making plans to fry the TinCan servers, located under the headquarters.
The security cameras at TinCan turn off, followed by a security guard being attacked by a tentacle. Buffy and Kennedy spot it from outside, identifying it as a Teuth demon and kicking off the three preview pages. When Buffy returns to TinCan later, it's with Eldre Koh, who scopes out the place with Theo while Buffy and Kennedy talk. Kennedy suggests that they shouldn't let Theo destroy the only connection there is to another dimension - Willow might be able to use it to get her magic back, and it would get everyone off Buffy's ass about the Seed.
They split into two teams: Koh and Kennedy, to create a distraction, and Buffy and Theo to fry the servers. For the next few pages, the first team fights tentacles, and the second team runs down a corridor and then fights tentacles. It's really GRIPPING ha ha get it. Kennedy and Koh hear a demonic voice coming from a speaker somewhere, saying "You cannot win" and such things; it's W&H contacting them from their hell dimension. Eventually the teams fight their way through the tentacles and rejoin.
When Buffy and Theo are standing in front of the lever he needs to pull to fry the servers, he has second thoughts. He created TinCan to help connect people, and it's his life's work. Buffy tells him that she knows it's hard, and that nobody will understand why he did it, drawing a clear parallel to her own actions with the Seed. She says that at the end of the day, he has to do it to keep W&H out of the world, and he agrees and reaches for the lever.
Eldre Koh stops him and holds one of his round glowy blades to his throat. Koh speaks to W&H, saying that he'll kill the boy, securing their connection to the world, if they tell him which demon imprisoned him. Buffy says "But the Nitobe code--" and he corrects her, saying that honor is top priority and for that he needs vengeance. The issue ends with him waiting for W&H's response.
I want to be fair, so: take out the tentacle demon, and this isn't a bad issue. Like the last one, not a lot happens. What does happen serves pretty well to advance the story, although so far the story itself isn't the edge-of-your-seat high stakes noir adventure that one would hope for from Wolfram & Hart. We're still suffering from a serious character drought, not because there aren't enough characters to do the job, but because the current supporting cast consists of two new guys and Kennedy. I'd trade up a lot of tentacle demon panels for one or two of Xander and Dawn.
What I do like is TinCan, although in the real world I'd never sign up. We don't need to know anything about the site itself; we've pretty much gotten the cue to fill in 'Facebook' (or 'Zuckerberg') whenever there's a gap, and I can't abide Facebook. A demonically infested social network just fits into the verse really well, though, and I don't even mind that I've been working on a similar idea for years and they got theirs out first. (It's not that similar, anyway. Mine's an app, not a social network.) It's fun, and there's loads of potential for Easter eggs, like the icons of Theo's contacts (I see Joss, Neil Gaiman, and the Obamas - but I could be wrong, who do you see?).
Plus, I got something for you: ever since TinCan entered the story, its logo has been niggling at me, and I finally investigated. Back in Issue #5, Buffy and Willow walk past a large ad that looks like a can of soup. Though partially obscured, it actually says TinCan, and the rather brilliant slogan "Internet for the Soul", which is now fully visible in the latest issue. Isn't that nifty? Go worldbuilding!
I think everyone who's been speculating about the demon who imprisoned Koh being Illyria will turn out to be right. They've made too big of a deal about it now for it not to be someone we know, and she's the likeliest candidate. So that'll be cool. Not sure yet how they're going to make W&H cool, but it was interesting to hear Buffy mention it. I wonder if she got the story from Angel or Spike? Koh himself is a lot of yawns for now - his 'twist' at the end was the same one we got from Severin, and I don't expect the conflict to resolve with anything other than him getting the information he wants and Buffy saving Theo anyway.
The other part which actually ties into the larger story (yeah, I think there are really only those two parts) is Buffy comparing TinCan to the Seed. I'm surprised and pleased to say that it totally worked for me. Buffy is more conscious of consequences than most people give her credit for, and she does believe that she was doing it for the right reasons. It was also interesting that Willow, and Willow/Kennedy, came up in this issue. Considering that in the other series, Willow's being reacquainted with her magic right now, I can only imagine that this is another tiny step to make a cohesive season-wide plot.
Sorry to say I'm not hugely impressed by the art in this issue. Buffy and Kennedy are looking good, and there's at least one panel in which Eldre has a very cool face, but Theo seems to be getting the same non-treatment from Jeanty as he is from Chambliss - he's got his token identifying traits, but there isn't anything distinctive to love about him. A quirky line of dialogue or an adorable expression is all I'm asking for. I can wait, but TinCan alone isn't doing it for me.
And y'know, I don't blame the artist for the tentacles, he did what he could with what he had, but the wallpaper starscapes were frankly lazy (and we should blame the colorist for that, probably). And the cover...Noto. Noto what are you doing. I may have to go back and appreciate the backgrounds, because I'm pretty sure those were the best of the visuals this time around. The setting was kind of Initiative-y, which was fun.
So, here's my excuse for being late: I'm bored again. Also I've had a crappy couple of days, but mostly, I can't quite get excited about this series as it is now. I'm still reading, and browsing fan commentary, but I probably won't be showing up much for discussions. If you want to find me, leave a message on my TinCan page.
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Buffyversefantic
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First advanced review for Spike # 1.
http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2012/08/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-spike-1-sneak-review/
| Quote: | Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Spike #1 – Sneak Review
Posted on 14 August 2012 by Nicci
** The following review while careful not to reveal any actual spoilers from this issue, it does tease the reader with hints as well as spoilers from issues past. Please feel free to purchase this issue on 08/22/2012 **
Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Spike #1 is surprisingly light-hearted and joke-ridden. Full of boozing diatribes yes, but also full of puns and good cheer as Spike and the bugs both try and get his mind off of Buffy. Spike thinks and speaks a lot. Lot more text than in Buffy or Angel & Faith, not sure if this is a writer’s preference or just geared toward Spike’s inner musings this issue.
Very nice art, and a fun nod to classic science fiction. Loved the Jenny Frison cover art, I would actually use the term sexy to describe it, it’s that freaking good.
As always issue one leaves you ready for issue two and I look forward to reading it! -N
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| Buffyversefantic wrote: | First advanced review for Spike # 1.
http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2012/08/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-spike-1-sneak-review/
| Quote: | Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Spike #1 – Sneak Review
Posted on 14 August 2012 by Nicci
** The following review while careful not to reveal any actual spoilers from this issue, it does tease the reader with hints as well as spoilers from issues past. Please feel free to purchase this issue on 08/22/2012 **
Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Spike #1 is surprisingly light-hearted and joke-ridden. Full of boozing diatribes yes, but also full of puns and good cheer as Spike and the bugs both try and get his mind off of Buffy. Spike thinks and speaks a lot. Lot more text than in Buffy or Angel & Faith, not sure if this is a writer’s preference or just geared toward Spike’s inner musings this issue.
Very nice art, and a fun nod to classic science fiction. Loved the Jenny Frison cover art, I would actually use the term sexy to describe it, it’s that freaking good.
As always issue one leaves you ready for issue two and I look forward to reading it! -N
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I think that I'll stay away from these reviews, because I found that one depressing. I hope that Spike is not going to be comedy relief in his own comic and that we are going to get some depth of characterization. It was maybe too much too hope for that we would. The Spike comic was my main source of optimism for season 9, because the main titles are losing me. I read them, but don't have too much to say about them, really. Angel and Faith is the better, but lately, imho, it has lost all it's edginess and is turning into a sort of rollicking yarn - I also dislike Giles's Aunts and their presence in the story rather strongly as well as the rather revolting soul shard gathering 'piercing.' Yuk. The Buffy title hasn't held my interest since the rather disappointing reveal that Buffy was not pregnant, but was a robot instead. Maybe things will come together as the titles get nearer the end, but so far I'm not seeing the master plan. |
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Buffyversefantic
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I've found reviews can be misleading or off at times.They're interesting to read and look for spoilers but it's still better to wait to read the issue yourself before getting to worried about something.
Second advanced review for Spike # 1.
http://www.bamfas.com/2012/08/review-spike-1-a-dark-place-part-1-of-5/
| Quote: | Review – Spike #1 A Dark Place Part 1 of 5
By Jenny– August 14, 2012
Script: Victor Gischler
Pencils: Paul Lee
Inks: Andy Owens
Colors: Cris Peter
Cover:: Jenny Frison
Alternate Cover: Steve Morris
Letters: Richard Starkings and Comicraft’s Jimmy Betancourt
Executive Producer: Joss Whedon
Published By: Dark Horse
After deciding that he can’t just sit around and wait for Buffy to call, Spike jumps in his roach mobile and takes off for the calm and serene vacation spot known as the dark side of the moon. In an attempt to gather his thoughts and clear his mind with various libations, Spike and his bug crew are on their way. Once arriving on the moon though Spike can’t seem to shake his super sad mood and the memories of Buffy seem to be everywhere. Spike’s bug friends refuse to sit back and watch him wallow in his misery so they devise a plan to get him back on track, which works, for a while anyway. Meanwhile, we learn that just like on Earth the moon has its own group of nasties with bad intentions. We quickly learn what those intentions are and all hell breaks loose. Will Spike and his bug army ever get off the moon or are they destined to become space junk?
It has been no secret that I am a huge Spike fan, so truth be told I was extremely excited about this series but also worried about how it would turn out. I first have to begin with Jenny Frison’s cover, it is spectacular in every way, everything she does is always amazing but she somehow out did herself with this one. Victor Gischler’s writing is superb. He captures the nuances of Spike perfectly. There is a bunch of funny, but there is also the torment and pain which really encapsulates what Spike is all about. The entire team working on this series is top-notch, from the cover, to the writing, to the art inside everything is really amazing. This was a great intro issue and Spike’s bugs really add a nice touch with their oddness and full personalities. If you are anything like me, fear not, this is a great issue and an excellent addition to the ever-growing Buffy cannon.
Release Date: August 22nd, 2012
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Dark Horse Comics NOVEMBER 2012 Solicitations And Covers
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dark-horse-november-2012-solicitations.html
| Quote: | Willow’s own series!
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER: WILLOW—WONDERLAND #1 (of 5)
Jeff Parker (W), Brian Ching (P), Jason Gorder (I), Michelle Madsen (C), David Mack (Cover), and Megan Lara (Variant cover)
On sale Nov 7
FC, 32 pages
$2.99
Miniseries
With the disappearance of magic, Willow Rosenberg lost the very thing that made her tick. Armed with Buffy’s broken scythe, and fresh off an adventure with Angel and Faith, Willow is ready to find a solution on her own terms. The world can’t live without magic—and neither can she!
• Willow brings magic back to the Buffyverse!
• Executive produced by Joss Whedon.
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER SEASON 9 #15
Jane Espenson (W), Drew Z. Greenberg (W), Karl Moline (P), Ben Dewey (P), Andy Owens (I), Michelle Madsen (C), Phil Noto (Cover), and Georges Jeanty (Variant cover)
On sale Nov 14
FC, 32 pages
$2.99
Ongoing
Training has begun, bringing the newest Slayer and Watcher closer together. Will they be ready when they're needed most? The rapidly growing zompire population has overcome a local institution, and our heroes in training must take on the fight of their lives!
Buffy show writers Jane Espenson (Once Upon a Time) and Drew Z. Greenberg (Warehouse 13) reunite in this special two-part story about a young duo coming together to fight the forces of evil and discover their role in this strange, new ’verse.
• Executive produced by Joss Whedon!
• Arc finale!
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER: SPIKE #4 (of 5)
Victor Gischler (W), Paul Lee (P), Andy Owens (I), Cris Peter (C), Jenny Frison (Cover), and Steve Morris (Variant cover)
On sale Nov 21
FC, 32 pages
$2.99
Miniseries
Spike departs from the ruins of Sunnydale—and all those memories—with a demon who wants desperately to return to her home dimension. But with the loss of magic, her connection is lost. Spike, ever the hero, offers to help this mysterious damsel in distress in her journey to find any remnants of magic that might reconnect her to her world.
• Sparks (and punches) fly!
ANGEL & FAITH #16
Christos Gage (W), Rebekah Isaacs (A/Variant cover), Dan Jackson (C), and Steve Morris (Cover)
On sale Nov 28
FC, 32 pages
$2.99
Ongoing
Angel’s plan to resurrect Giles inches ever closer toward success. As he and Faith hack their way toward one more magical item to help in their venture, Angel reveals it is time to get the final part of Giles’s soul. But their triumphant return to London holds more than one surprise: first, the revenge-seeking Nadira and the Slayers come calling . . .
• Executive produced by Joss Whedon!
• Follows the events of Buffy Season 8!
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Some great covers there! I particularly like the one of Faith who is (ominously) looking all happy and relaxed, and the "infographic" quality of Noto's Buffy one.
Buffyversefantic, I also wanted to say thanks for faithfully posting the comics news. I know I'm not much around to discuss anymore (due to the lack of discussion going on here -- it's a vicious circle, I know) but I do check out the forum regularly and I appreciate your keeping us informed. |
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| Double Dutchess wrote: | Some great covers there! I particularly like the one of Faith who is (ominously) looking all happy and relaxed, and the "infographic" quality of Noto's Buffy one.
Buffyversefantic, I also wanted to say thanks for faithfully posting the comics news. I know I'm not much around to discuss anymore (due to the lack of discussion going on here -- it's a vicious circle, I know) but I do check out the forum regularly and I appreciate your keeping us informed. |
No problem. 
The title of the Willow minsiseries is "Wonderland" according to Slayalive. |
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| Buffyversefantic wrote: | | The title of the Willow minsiseries is "Wonderland" according to Slayalive. |
It also says "Wonderland" in the solicitation you posted  |
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Third advanced Spike # 1 review.
http://comicsgrinder.com/2012/08/16/spike-1-review/
| Quote: | August 16, 2012 · 8:59 pm
SPIKE #1 Review
Dark Horse Comics continues to deliver Buffy goodness with Spike’s own comic! There is something joyful in that, don’t you think? The guy has charisma, a perfect story to tell, and he’s got that blimp with an army of human-sized bugs that all think they’re C-3PO.
First off, Spike can definitley carry his own title. He’s full of swagger no doubt and, in this ish, it’s brooding swagger. As the title of this five-part story suggests, Spike has gone to, “A Dark Place.” It’s quite a familiar place. If you’ve ever had your heart torn apart from a failed romance, there’s literally nothing that will pull you out of that funk until you’re good and ready. At the time, it seems you may never pull it together. Friends begin to worry. But Spike has no friends. If he did, it would make it a little easier for him. What he does have is his faithful army of bugs and they can think for themselves, up to a point, and they know their master is lost at sea. That’s not good for him or his crew.
Spike gave orders to land his blimp/rockeship on the dark side of the moon. The bugs carried out his orders. Then they pondered over what they had done. They observed that their supreme leader was obsessively brooding, excessively drinkly, and repressively insulting his loyal minions. Sebastian, Elizabeth, and the rest of the bug crew, conclude that this can not stand! Enough! What happens next is a hilarious remedy cooked up by the bugs. It actually helps for a little while until Spike has to go all macho negative on it. The remedy is a play on dark and light and, in the end, it puts Spike off because it comes across as too easy to enjoy. The guy just thinks too much!
Now, think back to the last time we saw Spike with Buffy. Quite a heartbreaker. What did he say? Oh, yeah: “I don’t want to be the dark place you run to when things aren’t working.” Writer Victor Gischler, along with editors Scott Allie and Sierra Hahn, work with that idea wonderfully in this story. Is it possible to bring some light into Spike’s world? Yes, Buffy is proof of that. Do opposites attract? Yes! So, now what? Only his bugs, as best as they’re able, can try to talk some sense into him. They’re not saying Buffy is or isn’t the answer. They just want him to lighten up!
This issue to a pleasure. The art is tops. Paul Lee on inks. Andy Owens on pencils. Cris Peters on colors. Cover art by Jenny Frison. Alternative cover art by Steve Norris. It all adds up quite well. The color scheme is very inviting, playing off the interiors of the blimp and its crew with earth tones and greens. We are easily swept up by the narrative with bold and smooth artwork. It looks very effortless, very in tune with the story. I don’t think I would ever tire of views from inside that blimp! And those bugs are amazing.
But, there is a big “meanwhile” story going on. You didn’t think that Spike would be left to have some quiet time for feeling sorry for himself did you? Oh no, if it’s not one thing, then it’s another. Didn’t you know there’s life on the moon?
“Spike” comes out August 22. Visit Dark Horse Comics.
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Fourth advanced review for Spike # 1.
http://gfbrobot.com/2012/08/18/advanced-review-spike-1/
| Quote: | Advanced Review: Spike #1
by Big Tim | August 18, 2012
I’ll admit, I’ve been eagerly awaiting the release of Spike #1 out of Dark Horse. As much as I loved Buffy back in the day – and everything else Joss Whedon touches (possibly with the exception of Dollhouse, but that’s a discussion for another time) – the comics have really flown below my radar. So what’s got me so excited about the Spike-centered spin off?
Two words: Victor Gishler.
I’ve been a fan of Gishler’s since 2010′s X-Men #1. Gishler brought me back into the mutant fold after years of turning my back on the boring freaks.
Well, Spike #1 is Gishler’s first work since departing from Marvel’s X-Men and I’ve been waiting with short-breathed anticipation.
Story wise, I’m not sure what’s been happening in the Buffy comics these last few years to bring Spike to this place, but believe me when I say that it doesn’t really matter.
It appears to me that Spike is still all upset about Buffy rejecting him again and again, and he’s decided to put as much distance between them as possible… by jumping on a steam-punk space ship filled with sycophantic, alien cockroaches, on a trip to the dark side of the moon.
Gischler does here what he’s so brilliantly done over in the X-Men: taking characters out of their familiar and comfortable existence and forcing them to interact with others they would normally never come across, in a totally alien environment.
And his dialogue does much justice to the characters, literally causing me to laugh out load more than once.
The art by Paul Lee and Andy Owens has a real Mike Allred feel to it, which helps makes the quirky story more digestible. Lee and Owen have some fun and original alien designs, too.
All in all, Spike #1 delivered exactly what I expected: adventure, great characterization, entertaining dialogue, and a compelling story to boot. It’s a fun story with a character from my past, getting rowdy like we like.
If you’re a Buffy or Whedon fan, a sci-fi fan, or just a fan of good, fun comics, get your hands on Spike #1.
Spike #1 will be in comic book stores world wide August 22nd, 2012, but order yours now to ensure you don’t miss out. I predict that, since it’s a licenced comic but also such an all-round fun read, Spike #1 won’t sit on shelves for long.
http://buffyfest.blogspot.ro/2012/08/contest-were-giving-away-spike-1.html?
Saturday, August 18, 2012
CONTEST! We're Giving Away Spike #1!
So as you know by now that sexy vampire badass known as Spike, Spoike, William the Bloody, Blondie Bear, Captain Peroxide, etc. is getting his own Dark Horse title dropping this coming Wednesday August 22nd. We've read Spike #1: A Dark Place and it's so great we're giving away 5 digital copies! Dark Horse has graciously armed us with these treasures and all you have to do to win one is one of the following:
•Follow us on Twitter, RT and tweet why you love (or love to hate) Spike.
•Friend us on Facebook, share the contest link and comment on why you love (or love to hate) Spike.
•Or simply join our mailing list on the right (make sure to finalize by checking your inbox and activating the subscription.)
And yes, you can do all three to enter three times!
All entries must be submitted by 10:59pm EST on August 21st. Promo codes will be emailed to the winners early on August 22nd.
From Dark Horse Comics:
"Having fought to regain his soul after falling in love with the Slayer Buffy, the once-terrifying vampire villain Spike has been a bit less fearsome (to humans, at least). On his own adventure, Spike is forced to examine the man he once was, the man he is now, and the man he still hopes to become.
As master of a steampunk ship filled with loyal, oversized alien cockroaches, Spike embarks on a journey to the dark side of the moon, setting into motion an adventure filled with demons, witches, and others who brew new evil in the world without magic!
Spike visits the dark side!"
And don't forget, Dark Horse Digital is having a sale this weekend on all things Buffy for .99 this weekend! Click here to catch up before Spike #1 comes out.
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Fifth advanced review for Spike # 1.
http://www.comicbooktherapy.com/spike-1-review-46902
| Quote: | Spike #1 Review
By MrComicBook on Aug 19, 2012
Spike has always been a fan favorite of the Buffy universe. But he’s always been a character who works better when others are around. He is the sense of reason, and funny bone of any group he joins. So what happens when he goes on an adventure by himself? A great issue.
Victor Gischler (Deadpool: Merc with a Mouth, X-Men), writes a well-balanced issue. Spike has a lot of things to work through, which seems to be the plan for this mini-series. But it’s not all sad, as there is plenty of humor. Most of it comes from the bug minions that have been following Spike since Season 8. They toe the line of likable and annoying, which is the perfect balance for them. Most writers have languished in the annoying side, making them scapegoats for Spike’s rage instead of adding anything to the story. But one simple act makes them very sympathetic. The villains of the mini-series aren’t defined very well, but it’s not as big of an issue. Gischler has said before that he is a Spike fanboy, and that level of devotion is clear in the writing. I could hear James Martsters, the actor who played Spike, saying the lines in my head. The British dialogue can be a little over done, but doesn’t break the issue.
Gischler does the right thing in focusing more on Spike and everything he has been through the past couple of seasons. These monologue scenes are written well, and long time fans will find these scenes the most interesting. Spike has always given advice to anyone in earshot, but it’s strange to see him analyze himself. Spike is going through a hard break up, and it taking it the only way Spike would. This season has seen some of the biggest steps in character development since he got his soul back. Spike is more relatable than usual, since we have all felt the same after a break up. What left me with a smile after the issue though was how balanced the issue was. It’s downright depressing, then gave me a hard chuckle. Even with mini-series, the #1 needs to catch up fans that haven’t been reading the main book. Spike #1 does that well, with Spike going over everything in his monologue. The dialogue works it in well, without boring long time fans.
I’m not familiar with Paul Lee’s pencils, but he has certainly left an impression after the first issue. The majority of this issue is internal monologue, and Lee handles it well. He has Spike make small facial movements to match the thoughts, that I’m surprised more pencilers don’t do. While the artists on Buffy have been having trouble matching the look of the stars who originally played the characters, Lee nails the look of Spike. He looks exactly like James Martsters. Lee has the comedic timing needed for a book like this. The quick action scenes look great, and the monster designs giving the book a different feel than the rest of the Buffy books. Paul Lee has suddenly become a penciler to put on my watch list.
Spike #1 gets 4/5.
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Sixth advanced Spike # 1 Review.
http://www.firstcomicsnews.com/?p=47797
| Quote: | Spike Season 9 Issue 1 Review
By Patrick McCrone– August 17, 2012
I haven’t kept up with Buffy Season 8 from Joss Whedon. I read the first few and couldn’t help but compare it to the TV show and found it lacking. When I saw that Spike was going to be getting his own 5 issue limited series I was worried. Now remember, I haven’t been keeping up with Buffy. So, when the first page has Spike on a spaceship with a sort of cockroach sidekick I knew I made the correct decision.
Spike travels to the Dark Side of the Moon (along with Roger Waters comments) with these roaches that call him “Your Majesty” to get as far away from Buffy as possible. Even though it’s really a robot Buffy. Seriously, after all he went through in Season 7 on TV and then his Angel run, He is still pining for Buffy. How much angst can a vampire have?
The art by Paul Lee and Andy Owens is very good. Victor Gischler tries to breathe life into Spike and his new sidekicks but doesn’t quite succeed. The interaction between them seems forced as does the roaches final solution to Spike’s problem. It is a tough thing trying to change the personality of an established character and very easy to fall back on familiar patterns. I wish is that Victor takes Spike and breathes new vampire life into him
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Buffy Season 9 cover artists interview
http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/08/20/dark-horse-buffy-angel-and-spike/
| Quote: | EXCLUSIVE! Dark Horse's Buffy, Angel, And Spike Cover Artists Get Up Front With Us
by Alex Zalben
They say don't judge a book by its cover, but it's also impossible not to be drawn in by the art on Dark Horse's "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" line of comics. With work by Steve Morris, Jenny Frison, David Mack, and Phil Noto, it's also pretty easy to see why the covers would be so attractive. Yet the four don't get nearly as much ink - pun definitely intended - as the interiors. Luckily, we got a chance to chat with all four artists about their process in creating covers for "Buffy," "Angel & Faith," and the upcoming "Spike" and "Willow" mini-series, as well as showing off some upcoming covers from those books:
MTV Geek: Okay guys, for each of you, how did you end up working on the Buffy titles? And were you a fan of the franchise before you got involved?
Steve Morris: I had done two other Whedonverse covers: “Serenity: The Shepherd’s Tale” and the “Dollhouse: Epitaphs” mini, prior to the Buffyverse books, so I think Dark Horse was comfortable with my ability to draw likenesses. Specifically with the “Angel & Faith” though, they thought my penchants to twist imagery and play with themes and symbols was a good fit for the nature of the title.
Yes, I actually saw the original "Buffy" movie in the theater and watched the "Buffy" and "Angel" series from their starts. So it was very cool, after all those years, to find myself involved with the Buffyverse and Whedonverse at large.
Jenny Frison: I originally worked on the Angel, Spike, and Illyria series over at IDW. I was lucky enough to have Dark Horse include me in their Buffyverse. I loved Buffy and Angel when the shows were on the air and had been reading Dark Horse's Buffy series since the first issue of season 8.
David Mack: Dark Horse editor Scott Allie approached me about it.
Phil Noto: Scott Allie had asked me to do some Dollhouse covers for the miniseries, and after pleasing everyone with the likenesses, I was offered the chance to do the Buffy covers. And yes, I was/am a GIANT Buffy fan.
Geek: This is pretty well trod territory, but a lot of our readers may still not know what goes into doing likenesses - and how you approach them. Can you talk about the challenges in drawing real life people as their characters?
SM: I guess the hardest part is using photo references from a 15 year spread... I may be able to use a recent photo for a nose reference but I probably can’t use the same image for the contour’s of the face, because those contours are more subject to change over time. So to an extent you aim the likeness to a type of ageless sweet-spot, while trying to avoid idealization which can make the likeness cold. It’s also important to be mindful that the actors aren’t the characters, so you don’t want to just grab a candid shot of David Boreanaz and use his natural expressions and body language... The image can be used for reference points, but those points need to be translated through the persona of Angel and how the actor portrayed that character with his choice of mannerisms, gestures, etc.
DM: Well, the characters are very identified with the likeness of the actor so you want to be as respectful of that as possible, so I asked the editors to send me any reference of the characters that they think I should have. It is good for me to see how the other artists approached this as well. You want it to relate to the actor's likeness of the character but you want it to feel like its own image as well and not like the most popular shots you've already seen of the character and likeness.
JF: The likenesses can be very difficult. As cover artists, we have the luxury of only having to capture one expression (as opposed to the interior artist who has to capture the whole range of emotions from every angle throughout each issue). But the likeness on a cover like these can become the whole focus. I usually find that no matter how much work I put into a cover and how much care and effort goes into all other details of the cover (design, rendering, color palette, etc.) if the likeness is off, the whole cover is off. And sometimes it just takes the smallest line or shaded area to bring the whole likeness askew.
When tackling a character for a cover, I try to find a range of shots of the actor with several examples of expressions I want to achieve. Often, I'll watch episodes on my computer and look for scenes where the actor is producing the emotion I think the character would express in the cover to help me replicate it.
PN: I have it much easier than the interior artists. I just have to get the likenesses right on one page rather than create versions of them that can act for the story.
Google images is my best friend when it comes to the faces. I will however work from some screen grabs if I need to.
Geek: And in general, what's your approach to covers? Some of course will be story driven, others not... Do you have a preference, and if so, why?
SM: I prefer story driven covers because it gives me fodder for interpretation, allowing for visual metaphor and symbols. That’s the ideal situation, but because the covers are done so far in advance of the actual book release, the content isn’t always fleshed out... In those cases I’ll either fall to a straight-up posed cover or possibly illustrate a direct scene, if DH has a few beats of the story nailed down.
JF: I would prefer a happy medium. All of the Dark Horse covers I did were prompted with a story specific concept from the editor. The IDW covers were more open... Covers are done so far in advance of the book to be available for solicitations, it's not uncommon for the specifics of the issue to not be written yet. Covers where I have more freedom and less info can be really fun because they can be more about design and less about an actual scene. But they can also be more difficult. Ultimately, I prefer more freedom, but every now and then it's nice to have someone just tell me exactly what to draw.
DM: I love finding a single image that will make people want to pick up the book. And I like to have something encrypted in the design or details of the cover that relates to the theme of the story.
In this case editor Scott Allie will send me a variety of notes and details that are in the story for me to choose from in terms of weaving them into the composition.
PN: I just try to make them very interesting illustrations. The story driven ones give me a better starting point and more to work with but the straight pin up pieces are fun too because I can just focus on making a cool portrait.
Geek: Another interesting aspect of the Buffy-verse comics is creating at least a semi-cohesive look across the line. Can you talk about what you give and take from each other? Or are you all rogues, going it alone, with no help needed from those other jerks?
SM: “I do what I want”... You’ll need to picture me in Cartman’s mirrored sunglasses to get the full effect! Seriously though, I think Dark Horse wants each artist to bring their own flavor to the characters’ appearances. So clothing, hair styles (up or down) etc... The superficial stuff, is really left to the individual artist. I do, however, need to match the design of new characters (like demons), so if Rebekah hasn’t already drawn the issue I’m working on, she’ll develop a character design, get it approved by DH and then send it along to me.
JF: While doing the Spike covers, I didn't really get to see covers from the other artists except for a couple of Steve's. The deadline's for the covers were pretty short and the turnaround pretty quick so there wasn't much time, but I am a huge fan of Steve, Phil, and David and definitely allow as much influence from them as possible!
DM: Scott sent me other covers that have come before, and also the design of contemporary covers that this story and the collection of it will want to relate to. So I try to factor that in the best I can, and it is quite useful is seeing how other artists interpret the characters and the design of the world. Once I see the freedom that they express in their own personal interpretation of the character it gives me motivation to be more expressive and design oriented with the imagery.
PN: A lot of times, I'll get interior reference pages for certain characters which certainly helps to maintain a consistent look. I'm not really in contact with any of the other artists but I definitely get inspired looking at their work.
Geek: What about the actual process of making a cover? I imagine it does vary from piece to piece, but what tools, tech or otherwise, do you use when putting together your covers?
SM: I normally ask DH for some story themes and basic plot points. From there I’ll do a rough low-res sketch of the composition in PhotoShop, accompanied by an email explaining the arcane marks of my chicken scratch. Once I get approval, I move on to the “pencil” stage, also in PS. At this stage I may either do a line drawing or a line drawing with shading.
I’ll spend the time shading if I don’t plan on painting over the line art. If I plan to go for the full-on painted effect, I’ll keep the line art simple and clean. When I color, I do a rough under-painting on a layer below the line art, gradually tighten it up until completion. If I decided to make the cover look “painted”, I’ll continue from the under-painting by adding a layer above the line art and covering over the lines, sampling the surrounding colors.
JF: Every cover I do starts with a sketch. For the Spike covers, Scott would send me a prompt, specifically what he wanted to be happening in each cover... And I would sent him one or a couple quick sketches of that concept. Once I had my layout approved, I would usually tighten my sketch up before I moved on to final pencils. This is when I would figure out the likeness and expression. That way I could focus on movement and keep my line clean on the final pencils. Those pencils act as the final linework for my cover.
Next, I would do a tonal drawing on gray paper with copic marker, graphite, and white pastel. I like to do my rendering traditionally so I can get my hands dirty, but don't have to be too concerned about what colors to pick. I find it is particularly helpful when I have a likeness to capture because I am more comfortable rendering with a pencil. I can shade and erase until I am sure what I've drawn on the paper looks like who I want it to look like.
Finally, I color the cover in photoshop. I can spend as much time as I want adjusting the colors until I've got what I'm looking for and it is super easy to try multiple color palettes until I feel I've achieved the mood I want.
DM: I begin with many little layout scribbles. Then I zero in on one and flesh it out into a larger and more detailed composition. In the case of this series, I often asked a friend to model for the shot based on my drawings to get the lighting and shadows more dramatic. Then I used a variety of media from watercolor and acrylic to collage of paper, metal, wood, and orgainic materials (including the actual scales of a snake for #3).
PN: I start off with about 4-6 sketches and the editors choose one. I usually just go straight to the final from there. I work completely digitally in Photoshop on a Cintiq, so any changes or notes are easy to make.
Geek: Do you have a favorite? Least favorite?
SM: The A&F #9 cover is my least favorite of the series, although Angel is supposed to be leaping, it feels a little like a pseudo attempt at flight. I don’t know if I have a favorite, the right word might be which ones I “tolerate” better than others lol, because it’s hard to look past my mistakes. But my favorite is probably Buffy 9.3 partly because it was a rare daytime cover, but also because it felt most like a quiet portrait, almost outside the context of a comic book.
JF: Well, there were only 5 so it's tough to pick but I think my favorite might be the 4th cover of Spike. It was really simple and to the point. Plus, shiny, latex-y fabric is fun to render.
DM: Of the Willow covers I have completed, #3 is my favorite so far. I like the balance of the composition, the figure balance to the design, and the contrast of the materials, metal, watercolor figure, and the texture of the actual snake skin for the snake woman's tail.
PN: Favorite cover ..I think the one featuring all the quotes spiraling out of Buffy's head. I wasn't sure it was going to work at all, but in the end I was very happy with it.
Geek: What about characters? Who has been the most difficult character from the Buffyverse to capture artistically? The easiest?
SM: They all seem a little tough in the beginning, because you need to learn the geography and language of their faces and since you don’t have the luxury of seeing them in person, you have to figure out how all the different photo of them fit together to make one face. I think Faith/Eliza Dushku’s face was probably the hardest to “get” and still eludes me sometimes. Xander/Nicholas Brendon’s was the easiest, I didn’t draw him much, but the small likenesses which I did create, seemed to congeal faster from the get go.
JF: I think Spike might be the easiest I've drawn. His deep cheekbones are the sort of thing that make him really recognizable with just a few lines. Angel, however, was always kind of hard for me. David Boreanaz is a very handsome man and his heavy brow and thick neck are recognizable landmarks, but one wrong line and he looks like a caveman.
DM: I've enjoyed painting the Willow character. I tried to make each cover have a range and a contrast of presenting a different facet of her.
PN: Dawn can be really tricky. It's difficult to get her not looking too young or too old. The easiest for me is Buffy. If you can just get the eyes, nose and lower lip right, she's recognizable.
Geek: Have you ever had the cover art of a book affect the interior look of the book? What's the give and take like there?
SM: Not to my knowledge, at least I can’t say I’ve ever noticed anything.
JF: I don't think I've ever affected the style of the art on the interior, but certainly the design of characters or scenes. There tends to be a certain amount of understanding for readers that what happens on the cover doesn't have to exactly match the inside so I think interior artist know they can take what they like from a cover that uses a character or scene that hasn't been designed yet. But if I'm lucky, I prefer to work directly with the interior artist to come up with something that we can both use. It's really fun to see how different artist interpret the same design or scene.
DM: I've had that when it is a book that I'm both doing the cover for and the interior art for. Sometimes I may have figured out a character solution on the cover that I then bring into the interior.
PN: I haven't had that happen. I prefer to let the interior artist design characters since they're going to have to draw them a lot more than me.
Geek: Lastly, anything coming up you're excited to show off? Anything you can't wait for fans to see?
SM: The cover for A&F #16 came out nicely, it’s uncharacteristically simple, but it’s a gear shift that sets a different tone than many of the other covers in the series. Also, the Spike variant covers were allot of fun and there are still two which haven’t seen the light of day yet.
JF: I'm doing covers for Image's new book REVIVAL with Tim Seeley and Mike Norton. Tim, Mike, and I all live in Chicago and share a studio space so it's one of those books I'm able to work closely with the creative team on. It's been really fun. The scripts have been incredible and Mike's pages are fantastic!
DM: It's been a real joy doing these covers at the same time that I've been doing covers for Daredevil: End of Days, and also drawing the animated Dexter webisodes. It's been an exciting challenge to get in the specific groove and look of each of these projects while working on them during the same time period.
PN: Don't have anything to show, but just had a lot of fun drawing a... Certain female character for the first time!
You can check out the solicit info for three of the four series, below:
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER SEASON 9 #15
Jane Espenson (W), Drew Z. Greenberg (W), Karl Moline (P), Ben Dewey (P), Andy Owens (I), Michelle Madsen (C), Phil Noto (Cover), and Georges Jeanty (Variant cover)
On sale Nov 14
FC, 32 pages
$2.99
Ongoing
Training has begun, bringing the newest Slayer and Watcher closer together. Will they be ready when they're needed most? The rapidly growing zompire population has overcome a local institution, and our heroes in training must take on the fight of their lives!
Buffy show writers Jane Espenson (Once Upon a Time) and Drew Z. Greenberg (Warehouse 13) reunite in this special two-part story about a young duo coming together to fight the forces of evil and discover their role in this strange, new ’verse.
• Executive produced by Joss Whedon!
• Arc finale!
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ANGEL & FAITH #16
Christos Gage (W), Rebekah Isaacs (A/Variant cover), Dan Jackson (C), and Steve Morris (Cover)
On sale Nov 28
FC, 32 pages
$2.99
Ongoing
Angel’s plan to resurrect Giles inches ever closer toward success. As he and Faith hack their way toward one more magical item to help in their venture, Angel reveals it is time to get the final part of Giles’s soul. But their triumphant return to London holds more than one surprise: first, the revenge-seeking Nadira and the Slayers come calling . . .
• Executive produced by Joss Whedon!
• Follows the events of Buffy Season 8!
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BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER: SPIKE #4 (of 5)
Victor Gischler (W), Paul Lee (P), Andy Owens (I), Cris Peter (C), Jenny Frison (Cover), and Steve Morris (Variant cover)
On sale Nov 21
FC, 32 pages
$2.99
Miniseries
Spike departs from the ruins of Sunnydale—and all those memories—with a demon who wants desperately to return to her home dimension. But with the loss of magic, her connection is lost. Spike, ever the hero, offers to help this mysterious damsel in distress in her journey to find any remnants of magic that might reconnect her to her world.
• Sparks (and punches) fly!
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| I've read Spike #1 now. I quite liked it. I loved Spike's inner thoughts and his interaction with his crew. I find the bugs very charming and their efforts to cheer Spike up very appealing. There was emotional resonance and it all felt very true to Spike. I did switch off a bit with the comedy fight sequences with the amphibian villains. It felt a bit like the foot had come off the gas pedal on those pages, but I'm not always a fan of action scenes, especially if a series contains alot of them. All in all, a good start. |
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I have my copy of Spike:A Dark Place # 1 of 5.
First,here's Kairos's summary/review of the issue.
http://perpetual.livejournal.com/117469.html
| Quote: | Spike #1: Review etc.
I'm not going to bother with a full summary for this one because there isn't a lot of detail that I expect will turn out to be important. If you've read any preview pages or blurbs, you've got the jist of what happens: Spike mopes around the ship, dreams about Buffy, gets drunk. (Smokes a lot, but at this point most of us probably don't even picture comic-Spike without a cigarette between his lips, do we?)
You also know that the bugs find him unfit for leadership and attempt to cheer him up, but the payoff of their efforts did actually amount to a pleasant surprise: they don't just make him a paper sun, they show him the real one. They've replaced the windows in the solarium with necrotempered glass, and isn't it about time that we saw that again outside of a fanfic?
While he's in there, we meet some apparent villains. They're big ugly monsters in warrior garb who live on the moon. Also they have a giant frog thing. There's a few panels of them without dialogue, which feels a little odd because they appear to be talking to each other about the arrival of Spike's ship. One of them points to the frog.
Spike swiftly talks himself out of enjoying the sunny beach set-up, because it's not real, and he doesn't want to be someone who wants to be fooled. Then the frog attacks. Spike sends the bugs after it; they fail to stop it, so he takes it on himself, and then is forced to contend with the monsters who sent it. He gives them a good fight, but they knock him out and bring his unconscious body to the control room. One informs the pilot bug that they're taking the ship and want to lift off immediately. They're going to jettison Spike once they're in space. Cliffhanger!
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You know, it's true what they say about the bugs. (They? I don't know, someone.) They're funny, and they're charming. My favorite was the one in a hula skirt. I like the way they really seem to adore Spike on every level, and the way they're not meant to be considered as either individual characters or a reasonable part of the wider setting. They're just pure comic absurdism, a reminder that you can't always take the Buffyverse seriously.
Unfortunately, that gives me issues. I habitually latch onto the real-world consequences of fictional fallout from action and drama, that is, the irrelevant parts of the consequences. I notice when a sandwich is wasted because a character's lunch was interrupted. When the world is saved from the aliens, I still regret the loss of all of the national monuments destroyed in the battle. I want someone to run after the innocent bystander and explain everything that led up to the confusing incident that she just witnessed.
Spike doesn't treat his bugs well. He insults them, dismisses their concerns, bounces cigarette butts off their heads, and sends them to their deaths. It's pretty clear that they don't think they deserve any better, but I do. I keep feeling the need to fanwank some kind of Ender's Game style hive mind to their biology, so I can feel assured that it's no big deal if one of them suffers or dies. I do intend to read the IDW miniseries that supplies the background for this, but I don't know if it will help. Mostly I'm just having a hard time loving Spike so far - and it's for entirely different reasons than I usually would.
He did the right thing leaving, and he's got a fairly accurate view of how things really went down, replacing his old fantasies. Just the fact that he's lamenting his own foolishness at thinking he and Buffy could be normal, rather than blaming her for wanting normal or for not believing in his ability to deliver it, is a huge step forward. I loved the panel of his retro-style vision of the two of them prancing around a real beach, because it highlights the "don't accept a fake version" theme of the issue. Whatever love that he and Buffy had for each other was always trying to be a different kind of love, and it would always continue that way - devoted and dissatisfied.
On the other side of the dilemma, though, is Spike rejecting reality right along with fantasy. As one of the bugs asks, "Is not the light warm and comforting?" And it is, of course. It's not even a fake sun; it's the real one, finally available in a vampire-safe version. Spike is irritated because it came with paper palm trees, and was itself inspired by an advertisement, but he forgets too quickly that his happiness while he basked in his beach chair was genuine. His conclusion is that he's not made for the light, so he needs to seek the dark. That's not true at all, and I expect the miniseries to head toward some revelation in that order, but in the meantime, it's a good progression for Spike's mental journey. When he starts thinking, it's all about Buffy, but by the time he figures out a goal for himself, it's going to be about who he is.
When you look at an ad for beer, you might start wanting a beer because the ad reminded you of a tropical paradise and promised that beer will get you there. The ad is a lie, but it doesn't mean that you can't want a beer of your own accord. Just remember that the beer is a beer. You're not drinking a tropical paradise. Loving Buffy isn't being human.
It might take me a couple more issues to fully warm to the art. I love the bugs, monsters, and ship, but something about Spike's poses or expressions aren't quite hitting my Spike spot. Nifty use of color, though. In the panel in which Spike realizes that we fall for the chicanery because we want to, his (blue, yes) eyes take on the gold of the sun, giving him a cool but temporary dual-nature appearance.
So far I don't love, but I definitely appreciate and will be sticking with it. Hoping for more plot in the next one.
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Now my thoughts.I really liked Paul Lee's art first of all.Nice clean and clear look.
I enjoyed the issue and do see the start of Spike making some changes about things.I do think some growth is coming.Given my feelings on spuffy,yes I do hope this miniseries is the beginning of him moving on.But putting the Buffy issue aside,I though Spike had a lot of growth in the latter part of season 5 of Angel,After the Fall and some of the IDW books.Growth he seems to have lost IMO since returning to Buffy.On the Angel side of the verse,I felt like he had actual friends and was more than being defined by his feelings for a woman(loves bitch). Since returning to Buffy,he's been all about her and nothing else.And I don't get a sense of him having any actual friends(other than the bugs).I think something like that could develope with Dowling but he's really cut off from people other than Buffy and I think that one of the points of this miniseries is going to deal with.Again,putting aside shipper prefrences and whether he will really be moving on from Buffy or not when he returns to her book later in the season,I think we will see a more healthy Spike coming out of this mini who won't just defined as loves bitch or a dark place.I think he'll be getting a life of his own coming out of season 9 whether Buffy is a part of it romantically or in some other way or not at all.No matter what happens on the shipper front,I think Spike will be in a stronger place going forward whether there is more spuffy or there isn't.
Right now he's in the depressed stage but I really like how the bugs try to cheer him up.I've always liked the bugs so I'm actually glad they're still around(early on Scott Allie said they would be gone in early season 9 if I remember.Glad that didn't happen).
Also thought it was a cool callback to season 5 of Angel with the use of Necrotempered glass.
Okay,while I like the bugs I do find that big frog monster freaky.
This issue is really mood setting and the meat and potatoes probably won't be until issue 2-3 but a good start.
I also think Victor Gischler has Spike's vocie and characterzation down pretty good. |
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