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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have the 4th T&P ordered, but it has yet to be shipped (not sure why).


Very annoying.

My order for the 4th T&P volume has been cancelled. Apparently it hasn't come out, and I see on Amazon that the new publication date is the end of September. What gives? This was supposed to have been out since July, and all the on-line bookstores gave the impression they had the book instock.

I have about 3-4 books coming out at the end of the month I want to get. I do hope none slip. Wonder how this might affect the ship date for the 5th T&P volume...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Very annoying.

My order for the 4th T&P volume has been cancelled. Apparently it hasn't come out, and I see on Amazon that the new publication date is the end of September. What gives? This was supposed to have been out since July, and all the on-line bookstores gave the impression they had the book instock.


Now very strange.

Was checking Amazon, and now they no longer list volume 4. They still list 5 and 6 (and, of course 1-3).

Went over to BooksAMillion, and they list volume 4 as coming out in NOVEMBER!!! Volume 5 is still listed as coming out in October. What gives???
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Complete LOA volume 1 Reply with quote

Complete Annie Volume 1 -

Did anyone else notice the "jump" on page 76 ? It looks like the 12-21-24 Sunday strip was part of the continuity, but was not included. (And maybe Dec 28 ?)

I really wish now that they would have just included all the Sundays with all the dailies, even if they are done in b&w. That would have been better than skipping most Sundays, including only those that (they thought) mattered, and in a different section! And then later start including them in volume 3, but only reprinting HALF the total number of strips! It will take FOREVER just to make it to 1950 !

I wish the Peanuts Sundays were in color, but that reprint series is better than the hodge-podge Sunday method being done here. Especially if they miss some, like in Volume 1.

Oh well, it's not the end of the world.

One last thing: C'mon IDW !! Add an Annie page to your site!!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: Complete LOA volume 1 Reply with quote

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Complete Annie Volume 1 -

Did anyone else notice the "jump" on page 76 ? It looks like the 12-21-24 Sunday strip was part of the continuity, but was not included. (And maybe Dec 28 ?)

I really wish now that they would have just included all the Sundays with all the dailies, even if they are done in b&w. That would have been better than skipping most Sundays, including only those that (they thought) mattered, and in a different section! And then later start including them in volume 3, but only reprinting HALF the total number of strips! It will take FOREVER just to make it to 1950 !

One last thing: C'mon IDW !! Add an Annie page to your site!!


I'd have to check, but I think I do recall a jump somewhere in reading the comic.

I agree with the inclusion of the Sundays. I have to say the color on the LOA that were included just didn't impress. At least at the time, color really wasn't much of an improvement. This was the first time I saw color sunday Annies and I really wasn't impressed.

I look forward to getting volume 2, which is supposed to come out at the end of the month. I do hope the recent messup with Terry v4 won't affect them.

AND I AGREE!! Where is your Annie page?!? And update your Tracy and Terry pages!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I ordered T&P v4. It appears to be out.

I also ordered LOA v2 (which is supposed to come out today), but hope its not also delayed. Amazon.com reports a release date in October now.

FWIW, I pretty much ordered only classic comics reprints this time:

Terry & the Pirates v4
Little Orphan Annie v2
Buck Roger Dailies v1 (new reprint series from Hermes Press)
Krazy & Ignatz 1934-44 (last of the series, now they have to re-reprint the early stuff that Eclipse did)
Walt & Skeezix v2 (recently got the first volume, and am getting into this storyline).
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emb021 wrote:
Well, I ordered T&P v4. It appears to be out.

I also ordered LOA v2 (which is supposed to come out today), but hope its not also delayed. Amazon.com reports a release date in October now.


Terry Volume 4 came out last week. I haven't yet had the chance to read it yet, though. The latest Dick Tracy volume (1938-39) was released this week. No word on a release date for Annie Volume 2, though.

Along with Perry, I would love to see a continuation of the Terry series into the Wunder era, either in the current format or perhaps as a series of trade paperbacks. The only incarnation of Terry that I've never read much of is the Wunder version, having read both Caniff's version and the 1990s version of Terry when it appeared in newspapers (even cut the strips out of the newspaper as they appeared).

Einnor and emb021-I know it's been awhile since you asked about the Popeye volumes, but I'll try to answer your questions about the new reprint volumes. The Sundays appear in color and include the Sappo toppers, though these appear on the bottom of the page for some reason. The coloring is a bit of a mixed bag, but I suspect that has more to do with the source material than anything else.

Can't compare the quality of the two series, since I don't own the earlier series of reprints. However, the dailies look excellent and the Sundays pretty good. Unlike the previous reprint series, the new Popeye series will cover the same material in 6 volumes, rather than 11.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once Gray got Sunday integrated into his work, it became extremely important. He'd use Mon-Sat to build towards a climax for the principal action, which would invariably occur on Sunday.

Anybody who has poured through the huge "Arf!" book knows that the publisher's omitting of Sunday strips from that book leaves the reader with a constantly frustrated feeling, often accompanied by an indequate amount of information from the few words of reprise provided on Monday. So please, please, please, include the Sunday strips.

Also, in the interest of completeness, I would certainly be willing to pay for a supplement for the period of often stand-alone Sunday strips.

Needless to say, I hold strongly with the idea of completeness. It's the fundamental atttraction for me. I used to haunt microfilm rooms.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my order of T&P v4 and Walt & Skeezik v2 this Friday. Was pretty much reading W&S this weekend. This one revealed who Skeezik's mother was. Have only now started to get into T&P v4.

I believe with LOA v3, when Gray integrated the sundays with the dailies, that IDW will be reprinting them. Am sure for cost reasons they left out the sundays for the first 2 volumes. I do hope they will go back and reprint them.

The W&S series is doing the same. The volumes only reprint the dailies, with plans to later do the sundays. Guess they had separate continuties.

I have the "Arf" book, and find it frustrating on several levels, not just the lack of Sundays. They only give the first half of the "Rose Chance/Shanghai Peg" storyline. I had to go to the Smithsonian Book of Newspaper Comics for the last month or so to read the final conclusion. The only reason I got the Arf book recently (used), was that it covered years after the Fantagraphics books. While I'm not sure if I'll get rid of the Fantagraphics books when IDW's series covers that period, I certainly plan on doing so with the Arf book. Its just not worth keeping (tho I will probably fotocopy the intro by Al Capp).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Einnor and emb021-I know it's been awhile since you asked about the Popeye volumes, but I'll try to answer your questions about the new reprint volumes. The Sundays appear in color and include the Sappo toppers, though these appear on the bottom of the page for some reason. The coloring is a bit of a mixed bag, but I suspect that has more to do with the source material than anything else.

Can't compare the quality of the two series, since I don't own the earlier series of reprints. However, the dailies look excellent and the Sundays pretty good. Unlike the previous reprint series, the new Popeye series will cover the same material in 6 volumes, rather than 11.


The fact that the Sundays are in color is great, and is one of the reasons I'm leaning to getting them. As well as the fact I believe I missed getting some of the daily volumes.

Fantagraphics did the previous series in separate sizes. The 4 sundays were tall volumes, the dailies in the common oblong size that many were using.

Here is what they did:

1. Sundays 1930-32
2. Sundays 1932-34
3. Sundays 1934-36
4. Sundays 1936-38
5. Dailies 1928-29
6. Dailies 1930-31
7. Dailies 1931-32
8. Dailies 1932-34
9. Dailies 1934-35
10. Dailies 1935-36
11. Dailies 1937-38

These came out during a time I didn't have much money, so was trying to get them as b-day/xmas gifts. I believe I never did get about 3 of the daily volumes (they're all packed away, and I checked my checklist of such things).

Not sure how the 6 projected volumes break out the 10 years of dailies & sundays. So far, they've only been covering about 2 years per volume.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I believe with LOA v3, when Gray integrated the sundays with the dailies, that IDW will be reprinting them.


Fantastic! That's good to hear. I was fearful after reading one of the other letters on the Forum.

I also agree with you that Sundays in color is a plus. It breaks up the read in an aesthetically pleasant way and helps with the visual problems that accompany shrunken formats. Also, it gives an authentic feel to the read that is always a delight.

I really like the aesthetic format for the Gould volumes, by the way, a beautiful job; but I regret that Sunday strips are not in color.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I believe with LOA v3, when Gray integrated the sundays with the dailies, that IDW will be reprinting them.


Fantastic! That's good to hear. I was fearful after reading one of the other letters on the Forum.

I also agree with you that Sundays in color is a plus. It breaks up the read in an aesthetically pleasant way and helps with the visual problems that accompany shrunken formats. Also, it gives an authentic feel to the read that is always a delight.


Well, here's confirmation of that.

Amazon now has the cover for v3 on display. It clearly states "Dailies and COLOR Sundays 1930-1931".

What is confusing it it says it reprints strips from April 1930 to the end of 1931. But the prior volume reprints up to Nov 1930 supposedely.

So this volume will cover the stuff covered by the first Fantagraphics volume, where Daddy gets blinded, Annie mets Ma Green, and others.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, the cover pictures provided at Amazon are not always dependable as to date. For example, if you enlarge the cover for Vol. 5 of Gould's Tracy, the small print in the ad reads "1935-36", which is actually the dating for Vol. 3.

Also, I noticed today, Amazon is now pre-listing Vol. 7, with dates 1941-42, but with a picture of Flattop on the cover and mentioning BB Eyes. Those dates can't be accurate, since Flattop appeared 1943-44.

[Unless Vol. 7 is considerably larger at similar price, or is only ending and introducing the two characters named, the ad is startling. The book would have to cover something like Jan, '42 to May, '44; and the volumes already published are covering about 1.5 years apiece. Dunno.]
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By the way, the cover pictures provided at Amazon are not always dependable as to date. For example, if you enlarge the cover for Vol. 5 of Gould's Tracy, the small print in the ad reads "1935-36", which is actually the dating for Vol. 3.

Also, I noticed today, Amazon is now pre-listing Vol. 7, with dates 1941-42, but with a picture of Flattop on the cover and mentioning BB Eyes. Those dates can't be accurate, since Flattop appeared 1943-44.

[Unless Vol. 7 is considerably larger at similar price, or is only ending and introducing the two characters named, the ad is startling. The book would have to cover something like Jan, '42 to May, '44; and the volumes already published are covering about 1.5 years apiece. Dunno.]


Starting with Volume 7, Dean Mullaney is taking over as editor on the Dick Tracy books. One of the first things he's doing is enlarging the books to Terry/Annie size so that the Sundays can be reprinted larger. Of course, being larger books also means they can cover probably a good two years in a single volume as opposed to the current one and a half years.

Here's the quote in full from Mr. Mullaney, which was originally posted at the Yahoo Classic Adventure Comic Strip group:

Hi, everyone,

Starting with vol. 7 of the DICK TRACY series, I'm taking over as
editor and designer. Overall plans are still being worked out, but the
first thing we'll do is make the books bigger -- same size as TERRY
and LOA -- so that the Sundays can be printed larger.

While it could be argued that changing sizes makes for a mismatched
series, I hope everyone agrees with me that it's worth it to make the
strips bigger!


Dean Mullaney

Still doesn't really explain why they're using Flattop on a book covering 1941 and 1942, though. My guess is the cover for Volume 7 will end up being something else, and Flattop will be used for Volume 8.
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That's good to know; thanks. It surely answers the question of how there could be more per volume.

For info, actually, the present series is running about 1 yr 7 months per book, which is a little more than the 1.5 years per volume I rounded earlier. And if the book is like "Annie", the singles will go to 3 per page, which is two pages per 6-day week instead of 3 pages. That sort of thing adds up pretty quickly.

Each volume now has about 318 pages (vol 4, at least, exact, for the cartoon itself). There are 4 pages per week. That'd be about 79 weeks, 4 days-- or 3 days, depending on the cut. Now, for vol. 7, it would be-- I imagine-- 3 pages per week, with the same number of pages, would cover 106 weeks. That's 2 weeks more than 2 years.

Now, after my previous letter, I privately made a projective calculation, using the assumed rate. Vol. 4 stops on 1/20/38. Vol. 5 (which I'm still waiting on) should end around the 1st of Sept, '39, give or take. And then Vol 6 should get to somewhere around April of '41. So that, I projected that Vol. 7 would run to Nov. of '42. That agrees with the date Amazon has in its ad.

But if the format is as "Annie", with the same number of pages, we'd have 5 months added, which would take us to April of '43. That's coming close to a year short of Flattop's breath-taking end.

There's still the fact that "Annie" (Vol.1) has 351 pp. of the original strip, which-- if the format change is that exact-- would add 33 more pages, and 11 more weeks. That would bring us to maybe July of '43.

With Flattop on the cover, it seems to me that Vol. 7 would, at least, get to him to the hospital cart. That was in Mar, '44. A lot of reprints have stopped there, which can leave people wondering why Flattop was unforgettable. Meanwhile, if he only makes an appearance, it's Dec., '43.

At best, we still need to find another 5-10 months somewhere, or else the ad got in a hurry, or (heaven forfend) there's a skip and a jump. Maybe Vol. 6 is larger in some way. Or maybe Vol. 7 is reeeally huge. What do I know? The only certain thing is that we can't have 1941-42 and Flattop simultaneously. It does seem that your idea that Flattop is gonna show up Vol. 8 is the likely explanation. It's interesting though.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting news on the Dick Tracy series. I hadn't yet gotten into getting them. I kind of felt the covers were a bit dull and too mono-chromatic. The recent mockup cover with Flatop seems to indicate a slight change to a more colorful style. Annoying that the change in size will make the series a little inconsistent, but I guess I can live with that.

Really wish Mullany was coming onto IDW forums and tell us this sort of stuff here.


Anyone know when Annie v2 is coming out. Its, what, about a month late???
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