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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: How soon til we get a decent Star Trek comic project Reply with quote

I picked up the first issue of Star Trek: Romulans: The Hollow Crown and was disappointed with it because it focuses on the Romulan Empire instead of the crew of the Enterprise. They didn't do that with the episodes and movies, and I don't like seeing it done with comic books. I'm not even going to getting the next issue of this series, so they might as well not bother finishing it. I'd like to see more projects that deal with the crews of the Enterprise and the adventures they're having. That's why I didn't get any more issues of the Mirror Universe Saga. Of course, a project that resurrects Data who was wrongfully killed in the movies would be really nice. If they're not going to make another movie that does that, then IDW should offer extra money to make it happen and have it regarded as official Star Trek canon because you don't have to worry about actors getting too old to play ageless characters when the characters can be drawn and therefore immortalized. Then they could just ask for more money out of comic book buyers to pay for a Data resurrection series. They could either have Q bring him back or have some sort of time travel story where someone goes back and suggests to Data my idea of using a phaser as a grenade to blow up the McGovern device. Another thing he could've done would've been to somehow rig the phaser to fire at the device with the same setting without actually having to have someone there to fire it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That New Frontier story was good.
And I think that the Enterprise Experiment went down well with the fans too.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: How soon til we get a decent Star Trek comic project Reply with quote

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I picked up the first issue of Star Trek: Romulans: The Hollow Crown and was disappointed with it because it focuses on the Romulan Empire instead of the crew of the Enterprise.


With a title of "Romulans: The Hollow Crown" the thought never occurred to me that it would be focused on the Romulans. Personally, the premise didn't interest me so I passed on it.

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I'm not even going to getting the next issue of this series, so they might as well not bother finishing it.


I'm sorry, but this has got to be the most arrogant thing I have seen thus far. Haven't you considered the people who are enjoying the story? Don't you think they deserve a conclusion? No man is an island...

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Then they could just ask for more money out of comic book buyers to pay for a Data resurrection series. They could either have Q bring him back or have some sort of time travel story where someone goes back and suggests to Data my idea of using a phaser as a grenade to blow up the McGovern device. Another thing he could've done would've been to somehow rig the phaser to fire at the device with the same setting without actually having to have someone there to fire it.


Problem is, like it or not, Nemesis is canon and Data is, unfortunately, dead. Furthermore, the very structure wouldn't favour your idea at all, since by the time Data reached Picard on the Scimitar, there was no physical way they could escape the ship of their own accord. The prototype transporter was only good for a single passenger (otherwise they would have used it earlier on in the movie) and even if Data were able to set up a phaser to fire at the thalaron weapon, the resulting destruction of the Scimitar wouldn't leave him any less dead.

The problem with resurrecting Data is, unlike Spock in The Wrath of Khan, we don't have a Genesis Planet-like McGuffin to bring him back. There's simply nothing physical left of Data to work with. The most plausible option any writer could use would be following up on the thread of Data downloading his memories into B4.

If Q could just show up, snap his fingers and have Data appear alive and well, why wouldn't he have done so for Kirk in Generations (or even prevent the destruction of the Enterprise-D). It's just solving one McGuffin with another.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Re: How soon til we get a decent Star Trek comic project Reply with quote

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If Q could just show up, snap his fingers and have Data appear alive and well, why wouldn't he have done so for Kirk in Generations (or even prevent the destruction of the Enterprise-D). It's just solving one McGuffin with another.


Q wouldn't have to bring Kirk back because William Shatner already did that in the novels. As far as the Enterprise-D, I figure a ship's more expendable than a main character. I'd like to see them go up further in the alphabet on the Enterprises. That'd be a good idea for the next Star Trek tv series IMO. I'd love to see a series based on another Enterprise that's further down the alphabet. I know it'd be redundant because that's what Star Trek: The Next Generation was, but I'd still love to see it. Only they should air it on a network that everyone can get, not UPN.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've had loads of series telling yet another Enterprise based adventure; The Space Between, Year Four, Intelligence Gathering, The Enterprise Experiment, and Mirror Images (in a mirror universe sort of way). Personally I cherish the more imaginative and innovative series that aren't so Enterprise based, we've had hundreds of Kirk and Spock have an adventure stories over the years in comics and novels, lets do something new! I thought the first issue of The Hollow Crown was great and all the best series so far have been the ones that take a more unusual angle; Klingons: Blood Will Tell, Alien Spotlight, and Assignment: Earth.

There is a device available to bring Data back, B4, however the novels have already ruled that out and I'd rather not have multiple continuities myself. Easy solution to that though, do some TNG movie era comics, pre-Nemesis.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Data's dead. Get used to it.
What? Too blunt? Well seeing as you're happy to cancel a series that you don't like, I'm happy to be blunt.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: How soon til we get a decent Star Trek comic project Reply with quote

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Q wouldn't have to bring Kirk back because William Shatner already did that in the novels.


The Shatner novels aren't considered part of the canon as the rest of the Star Trek novels, which is why they are referred to as the "Shatnerverse."

The thing with Q is he didn't bring Tasha Yar back to life when she died an essentially pointless death, he didn't bring back the crewmembers lost when he first introduced the Enterprise to the Borg, he didn't use his power to return Voyager to the Alpha Quadrant as, despite his mischievous nature, he seems to have his own version of the Prime Directive.

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There is a device available to bring Data back, B4, however the novels have already ruled that out and I'd rather not have multiple continuities myself.


Without spoiling things too much, the novel "Greater Than the Sum" has some information about B4 which could be picked up again in the future.

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Data's dead. Get used to it.
What? Too blunt? Well seeing as you're happy to cancel a series that you don't like, I'm happy to be blunt.


That's actually a kinder way to put it than I would have had the point not sunk in.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: How soon til we get a decent Star Trek comic project Reply with quote

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The thing with Q is he didn't bring Tasha Yar back to life when she died an essentially pointless death, he didn't bring back the crewmembers lost when he first introduced the Enterprise to the Borg, he didn't use his power to return Voyager to the Alpha Quadrant as, despite his mischievous nature, he seems to have his own version of the Prime Directive.[/quote]

Yes, but Tasha Yar never actually did any favors for Q like Data did. Data actually saved Q's life once; and I don't think that allowing Data a few seconds of laughter would be an adequate way of thanking him. Also, how do you know there wasn't enough juice in the transporter to beam both Data and Picard back if Data would've done what the female character from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home did by embracing Picard in a hug after rigging a phaser to blow up that McGuffin device instead of killing himself? Somehow I missed the line that said there wasn't enough power to try a stunt like that in the movie. If you're 100% sure there wasn't enough juice, then that could be something else Q could do if he sent Data back. He could make sure the transporter had enough power to do that.

I'm not saying the Star Trek: New Frontier series was a bad series because I agree that it is. What I don't like about the latest series is that they're not based on the series they're about. New Frontier was about the crew of the Excalibur. I like adventures that do what the television episodes do, which is stay on topic with the current series. I've never seen DS9 or Voyager go way off base in any episodes, and I don't like seeing it done in novels or comic books.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the single teleport thingy was for one person, and one trip.
The chick is Voyage Home was beamed up by a ship, at full power, and undamaged. With teleporters designed to pick up multiple people.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How soon til we get a decent Star Trek comic project

We've had one -- New Frontier was f*cking awesome.

And the alien spotlight series including that Borg issue by Andrew Steven Harris...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've also had the wonderful Klingons: Blood Will Tell, Fontana's The Enterprise Experiment, and currently Mirror Images along with Byrne's Romulans: The Hollow Crown. All quality Star Trek comics, in my view.
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Ro-Dan wrote:
We've also had the wonderful Klingons: Blood Will Tell, Fontana's The Enterprise Experiment, and currently Mirror Images along with Byrne's Romulans: The Hollow Crown. All quality Star Trek comics, in my view.


Apparently, our definitions of a decent Star Trek comic differ. I agree that The Enterprise Experiment and all the alien spotlights were good; but those are over with; and I'd like to know where there's going to be another project like those again. Mirror Image focuses on the Enterprise crew; but it's not the Enterprise crew as I know it, so that's why I decided not to get anymore after issue one. If they ever want to do alien spotlights again, I can think of a few they didn't cover before like the Ferengi, the Betazoids, and the Nausicaans. Of those ones I just mentioned, my preferences are the Nausicaan first, the Ferengi second, and the Betazoids third. Another one they could do one on would be the El-Aurians. At least I think that's the correct spelling for Guinan's race. And I don't think they covered the Organians either. What I liked about the alien spotlights is that even though they were spotlighting alien races, they involved main characters having adventures with these races; and that's what I like to see. I like to see stories that involve the main characters. If they want to focus on a minor character, I've written a few Reg Barclay's stories that are about him playing with the holodeck for my own amusement if they're accepting anything from fans.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought of another alien race I'd like to see featured sometime. I'd like to see the Cytherians focused on sometime. The Nth Degree was one of my favorite episodes for that season.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jason wrote:
Mirror Image focuses on the Enterprise crew; but it's not the Enterprise crew as I know it, so that's why I decided not to get anymore after issue one.
With J.J. Abrams' STAR TREK set to debut next summer I'm sure we'll be seeing plenty of TOS minis. COUNTDOWN is set to debut from IDW in January. Basically it'll be a prequel series to the film, written by screenwriters Orci and Kurtzman. There should be plenty of TOS action there. Hopefully IDW will be announcing some new Trek projects soon. So far I know of only three: The Last Generation, John Byrne's "Crew", and Countdown. Another "Year Four" mini a la D.C. Fontana's series would be welcomed.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ro-Dan wrote:
Jason wrote:
Mirror Image focuses on the Enterprise crew; but it's not the Enterprise crew as I know it, so that's why I decided not to get anymore after issue one.
With J.J. Abrams' STAR TREK set to debut next summer I'm sure we'll be seeing plenty of TOS minis.


But since he dropped Mirror Images because it wasn't the Enterprise crew as he knew it, chances are good he won't find the Abrams's Star Trek to his liking. What with the recasting and all.

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If you're 100% sure there wasn't enough juice, then that could be something else Q could do if he sent Data back. He could make sure the transporter had enough power to do that.


People already have enough to condemn Nemesis for, something along those lines would destroy any drama that scene had. Data's death was done for dramatic effect and since it was a motion picture, anything which might have sufficed on the TV show simply wouldn't have cut it.

If Q were to suddenly show up with Data and announce: "Oh dear, you seem to have misplaced your android, how careless of you" and buggered off, that would have put the cheese factor off the scale.

The cold hard fact is, and I will say this as Shatnerian as I can: Data. Is. Dead! Shatner also had a little nugget of advice, which he even used as a title for one of his books, which I would advise you heed if you cannot (or simply will not) accept that one irrefutable fact.

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