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 Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: What "Second Stage" series are you most excited ab |
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Next month IDW launches its "Second Stage" Star Trek comics. Since it's been kinda quiet at these boards I just thought I'd throw a poll out there to give us something to talk about in the meantime.
My vote goes to DC Fontana's "The Enterprise Experiment". TOS excitement featuring Romulans and Klingons with art by Gordon Purcell. A sure-fire winner.
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I'm pumped for some Mirror action. I love the Mirror Universe stuff.
I hope the series makes some references to "In A Mirror, Darkly", which is not only one of the greatest of the Mirror stories, but a crucial point in the MU's history.  |
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STAR TREK NEW FRONTIER because Peter David is my favorite Trek author. Cant REALLY wait for this one.
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I'm a core series fan. TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY.
So I'm with Enterprise Experiment.
The other three are just sidelines stuff. |
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I'm with Gustavo -- Peter David's written a big chunk of the Trek fiction I like most.
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The Enterprise Experiment for me, cloaking devices, Romulans and Klingons all in one series sounds pretty exciting to me.
Mirror Images get lots of bonus points for it's creative team and having a Pike story. I've only read one New Frontier book so I'm not so invested in that series to be hugely excited about Turnaround, but I'm curious and have read a couple of other Peter David books which I enjoyed very much.
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New Frontier. I love the series and am glad that it is getting a comic.
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Although I haven't read any of the New Frontier material, I have also enjoyed most of Peter David's Trek offerings which I have read. Unfortunately, the latest Peter David-penned Trek novel ("Before Dishonor") just wasn't up to par with his usual standards, though I did like the quirky characters and dialogue the story required even more suspension of disbelief that Trek usually requires.
I mean, a Borg ship which eats anything in its path and grows larger as it does so is just too over the top to be able to take seriously, even within the confines of Star Trek.
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ha, I loved all but two things in Before Dishonor 1- The horrific mess PD made of the newly introduced Enterprise crew (I can barely stand any of them now) and 2- The bizarrely stupid Federation ambassador, how very pointless was that?
Otherwise I loved it, planet eating Borg, wonderful.
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| Duo Maxwell wrote: | | I mean, a Borg ship which eats anything in its path and grows larger as it does so is just too over the top to be able to take seriously, even within the confines of Star Trek. |
They've got nanotech, and (depending on what fiction you include) have hypercubes... dunno, is it more silly than the Q, who are basically "a wizard did it" logic to a plot?
Plating a hull with compacted matter of any variety (using tractor beams or whatever) wouldn't necessarily be a bad strategy for a 'race' that doesn't require for survival a lot of things that others do. The sheer gravitational forces of a giant cube would be a weapon.
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| 8of5 wrote: | The Enterprise Experiment for me, cloaking devices, Romulans and Klingons all in one series sounds pretty exciting to me.
Mirror Images get lots of bonus points for it's creative team and having a Pike story. |
Eight, once again you and I are on the same page. I'm looking forward to all the same things you are with these two minis.
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| Denyer wrote: | | The sheer gravitational forces of a giant cube would be a weapon. |
Indeed, the Borg did just that!
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| Denyer wrote: | | They've got nanotech, and (depending on what fiction you include) have hypercubes... dunno, is it more silly than the Q, who are basically "a wizard did it" logic to a plot? |
Yeah, the Q are a cop-out where plot is concerned, but Trek has had similar races before them, like the Organians and Trelane's race. (unless you take Q-Squared - another Peter David novel - at face value and accept Trelane as a Q)
Speaking of the Q, however, that brings up the issue of dropped plot devices introduced in the novel. The Borg Queen threatens Q (Lady Q, to be precise) that they have been studying her during their confrontation, can mimic her and, thus, can assimilate the Q. Which begs the question, if the Borg could be a threat to the Q then why were they so damned inept despite their other ridiculous abilities which should have been enough to accomplish their objectives?
While I can accept their nanotech and any treknobabble associated with it, what I cannot forgive is that the Borg cube - no matter how strong its will to survive - could fly directly into the heart of the sun and not only survive the experience but become even more powerful. The Borg ship in "Descent, Part II" was destroyed by a flare and I don't buy for a second that a cube could survive a journey into the heart of a star just because it is magically overpowered.
I can usually overlook the glaring logic gaps in order to enjoy a story, but this one just had me thinking "What the?" (and not in the good way) more often than not. I think my two favourite bits of the book were exchanges between Picard and Calhoun. The first one being Calhoun telling Picard to not forget to say "engage" to which Picard responded by saying "make it so" instead, and Picard speculating that Calhoun's memorial would be a bugle on a pedestal which would go off at random with discordant notes to startle passersby.
Are the New Frontier books filled with such odd humour? If so, it's definitely something I should check out.
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| Duo Maxwell wrote: | | Are the New Frontier books filled with such odd humour? |
Yep. Would also recommend the technically Next Gen book in the Double Helix series that includes Picard and Calhoun, "Double or Nothing".
New Frontier isn't always spot-on. The first six books are solid, after that it's a little more a case of whether you like the characters who form the focus of a particular story -- though No Limits and Stone And Anvil are both strong later entries -- but the cast and writing are consistently irreverent towards traditions, which is a big part of the appeal.
| Duo Maxwell wrote: | | The Borg ship in "Descent, Part II" was destroyed by a flare |
To an extent it depends on whether the unit has experienced or has access to a node with information on a particular tactic, doesn't it?
PAD can get a little silly at times and end up reading like fanfic, such as in Gods Above, but I've generally found he stays on the right side of the line. Will have to check out Before Dishonor, it sounds rather fun.
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| Duo Maxwell wrote: | | The Borg Queen threatens Q (Lady Q, to be precise) that they have been studying her during their confrontation, can mimic her and, thus, can assimilate the Q. |
I'm going to call "bull dust" on that one.
One click of a finger later and the Borg are calling themselves the Bunnies, and proudly pronounce "We are the Bunnies. Resistence is Funny, you will be Tickled"
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