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fildubek · Slayer Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 56

wade2501 wrote:

wade2501 · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject:

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Bludgeon · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject:

Richter · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject:

I think that "Back To The Future 2" seemed to explain time travel well.

Once someone altered the past it created two seperate timelines, one with the change and one with out the change
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fildubek · Slayer Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 56

Autorob · I'm kind of a big deal Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 190

hmmnn. the john connor arguement as given above has two possible sets of reasoning...

A) johns father can't die in the future, as he MUST travel back to conceive john

or

B) johm connors Father CAN die in the future, as once father has travelled back in time, he no longer exists in that future, but in the present, lodging him in a new timeline (IE there is no definitive future).

if something john does prevents his father from coming back, one of two things happens:

B1) john ceases to exist - he was never born. therefore how can he have prevented his father travelling back? therefore his father (presumably, and barring further incident) DOES travel back, therefore john IS born, etc etc...

or

B2) when john is born in the present, he establishes 'temporal momentum', IE as his birth is in the PAST, anything john does NOW can only have resonant effects going back from the FUTURE to NOW. kinda a 'primevil' theory (don't watch it, its crap. hannah spearit prancing about in her kecks and somone saying 'anomoly' ever 20 seconds), as anything john does to prevent his birth causes a parallell timeline (not dimension, which is something else, or universe, which is something else again), which has its own momentum, that he may or may not find himself caught in.

it is a matter for debate if these old and new timelines can be considered parallel, as the experience of them is subjective (IE you can only experience one at a time, unless you can definitavely communicate between the two).

however

as our experience of the universe is subjective, it is quite likely that we would never know there was ever any change to any aspect of it, unless we were the direct root cause (johns father himself, or marty and the proffessor in BTTF, or scottishproffessorbloke in primevil*).

*ps, i have a theory with that, fellow britlanders. the missus herself has already altered time by her own meddling, and thats why she won't stay in the present - as its not her present, exactly. so will scotprofbloke stay in his altered reality, or will he join wifey in the past now?
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Bludgeon · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:46 am Post subject:

fildubek · Slayer Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 56

Autorob · I'm kind of a big deal Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 190

I thought the whole point of terminator 3 was that because the machines couldn't (or wouldn't) conceive of the idea of free will, that they ensured (through action/inaction in case of arnie, and deliberately, through the TX) that any eventuality would be self-fulfilling IE bring about/allow the rise of skynet.

The only thing I didn't get was how come skynet knew about the original incursion into the past? surely in the altered future, it wouldn't retain the memory...

...aahh unless it knew from historical records left by john connor, and it simply accepted that this must have happened in a pre-'change' timeline (as it knew it had the capability to alter the past).

however, that brings to light another question... would skynet be killing itself by altering the past, even if it would still have 'existed' after the change? i mean, how would it retain its sum knowledge in the new timeline if it was rooted in that one 'old' timeline? has it found a way to spread it's programming across timelines, or did the virus that the TX spread actually contain elements of the future skynet, which had, in essence, abandoned its future domain for the past, whereby it could use its (now limited) knowledge of future events to have an increased influence on our present?

I can't beleive that I actually want to watch the next terminator movie.

someone hand me a TF comic before my brain melts.
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fildubek · Slayer Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 56

I meant the terminator comics when I siad the story is not over I don't if an other movie will be made.

A brain hurts from all this time travel conversation. I think we have analysed this time trevel theory enough.