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ultramagnus1 · Transforumer Joined: 12 Feb 2011 Posts: 8226

Flint told me that he wanted to redeem Hot Rod after what he did in the animated movie. He always felt bad that Hot Rod was blamed for Primes death.

Was Hot Rod redeemed here?
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Bhaalspawn · I'm kind of a big deal Joined: 18 Apr 2012 Posts: 136

Overall a very nice issue. Several comments though.

I was dissapointed with the lack of Sherma Bridge...and Prime being tossed off it as said in Chaos Theory. Although they did include Megatron losing his gun at least, but that is wrong too as Megatron was supposed to have lost his arm, not just the canon.

I actually really liked the use of 1986 movie lines, poses, etc. I just wish it hadn't contradicted what we knew from the ongoing. If it had been a different meeting/fight I would have been completely happy with it.

Megatron unleashing the huge Vamparc canon seems too much. Megatron makes ridiculously huge attacks seemingly too early in the war for so many not as bloodthirsty Cybertronians to be on his side.

Seems early for the Dynobots to get involved with the Autobots too given that we have the usual hints that Grimlock had considered being on Megatrons side, but first time we see them really after the fighting begins he immediately sides with the Autobots. Could be he's had time to consider being with the Decepticons during the more "terrorism" years and it has just been off panel, so not necessarily a big issue.

I noticed that they have the hand axe and shield used by junkions in the room of "weapons of mass destruction" lying on a table Razz

. Also, appears to be a head possibly under a tarp on the left side, kind of looks like Scourge's a bit. Maybe one of the "ancient Headmasters" in stasis or something? Or pre-gestalt?[/i]

Bhaalspawn · I'm kind of a big deal Joined: 18 Apr 2012 Posts: 136

One more small quibble...Prime's axe arm is facing the wrong way for how he would have had to have swung it when taking off Megatron's canon. Just saying. Blade should be towards him, not Megatron. This just stood out to me for some reason.

Bhaalspawn · I'm kind of a big deal Joined: 18 Apr 2012 Posts: 136

Looks like the large sniper rifle Megatron was seen with in the flashback before might be on the table of assorted weapons too. Surprised we don't see the Negavator (sp?) in there too Razz

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Bhaalspawn · I'm kind of a big deal Joined: 18 Apr 2012 Posts: 136

The vamparc canon drains them of energy and then uses that energy to form the blast. Swindle was only drained of energy, with the blast directed at the ceiling, so he should be in stasis lock. It's the actual blast that kills, the energy drain just leaves them running on empty.

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Bhaalspawn · I'm kind of a big deal Joined: 18 Apr 2012 Posts: 136

Perhaps any left over superweapons will be tied into what Brainstorm has in his case.

Sprite · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:04 am Post subject:

Or it will be in the case.
He does not have it on the annual cover.
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Thunderwing · Transforumer Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 3366

The nagging feeling of "seen it all before" I've had becomes incredibly blatant with this final issue. But thankfully there's a twist in the scenario in question.

Hm, am I to take Prowl's expression at the end there to mean that he's NOT going to have that armory destroyed as per Prime's orders? Heh.

All in all, this was a nice diversion, and I happen to like Livio's art, but the story itself seemed a bit stale, especially here at the end.

I do wonder how much of this'll fit with James Roberts' own ideas on the state of pre and early-war Cybertron. I'm more willing to take Roberts' newer ideas over a rehash if there are any other contradictions.

Still, I bet this'll be nice to read in trade format, and at least it's a pretty decent "standalone", with maybe Chaos Theory as its lead-in.
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Torpedo · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:40 am Post subject:

I kept following this series for Livio's art, but I lost interest in the story about six chapters ago. This final installment was the weakest, I think. Using Metroplex to take down the Decepticons' doomsday weapon felt both deus ex machina and not-at-all interesting. That was supposed to be an example of Optimus Prime's tactical brilliance? Using the Autobots' biggest, baddest weapon to knock down the citadel--you're telling me Gears couldn't have thought of that?

Also, the panel-by-screenshot of Optimus Prime's face off with Megatron ala the The Movie was, as previously stated, forced and really killed the momentum of what should have been an awesome battle between these two titans. When I realized they were showing the same scene only with slightly modified dialogue, I crossed my fingers hoping maybe this time Hot Rod would die, but alas, no.

I accepted the brutally violent, tormented characterization of Optimus Prime (too much like the live-action film version) in the early chapters because I thought there would be a point to it, but I don't think there was. Optimus was less bloodthirsty in the last three chapters than he was in the first three, but he didn't sound any smarter, any more compassionate or inspirational.

I dropped the other Transformers comics three months ago, but I kept buying Autocracy because it was cheap, it was limited, and because Livio's art always blew me away. I'm glad it's over.
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hook line and sinker · Transforumer Joined: 01 Oct 2010 Posts: 3259

I suppose Sherma Bridge could be before Autocracy. In fact at this point it has to be. And Megs and Prime clearly knew each other by the time issue 4 showed up.

As for Megs' behavior, and the use of the cannon attacking the masses, it certainly gells with the turning point in the war mentioned in AHM #11 when bucket head told Starscream that "with the rise of the autobots" he had to fill the ranks of his army with psychopaths to attain victory at all costs.

This is the point in the struggle when Megatron, after overthrowing the old guard, decided that rather than set cybertron free, it would be all about his own plans no matter what measures were necessary.
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Soundwave · Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject:

I liked it, the 1986 theme didnt ruin it, thought it was a nice way of reusing some of the original G1 events, Soundwave reaching out for Megatron was cool.

And now the next 4 million years can be told.

Wow thats gonna be a lot of comic books! Wink

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ultramagnus1 · Transforumer Joined: 12 Feb 2011 Posts: 8226

Im looking forward to reading this as a trade. I think it should flow rather smoothly as we see Mergatrons rise to power.

I wonder will we perhaps see Sherma Bridge in MTMTE? Maybe as part of Rewinds flashback tale? Would be cool. I think we will see it in full eventually.

Livios art was superb from what I saw in this and should be applauded for his work.

With the fight between Megs and Prime and Hot Rod it would appear Flint and Chris had the ending worked out from the start.
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