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Jason
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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: Too many Star Trek titles |
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I think I might cut down on the titles I'm currently buying to Star Trek: New Frontier and The Enterprise Experiment. I spent almost $16 last week on Star Trek comics alone, and too many of them aren't focused on the main cast of characters as I'm familiar with them. The Mirror Universe series isn't really my cup of tea. I bought the first issue, but I don't believe I'll be getting the next one. Does anyone know of any other projects coming out that just focus on adventures with the main crew? I loved the Star Trek: The Next Generation Intelligence Gathering series. I loved that awesome alien monster at the end. Nice comic artwork there. Are there any more Star Trek: The Next Generation projects coming up?
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Hello, Jason. I don't know of any TNG projects that IDW may have planned. As for the TOS crew, right now we've got the two titles you're aware of. After that, I'm not really sure. Hopefully Ryall and company have plans for Kirk and Spock after Enterprise Experiment and Mirror Images.
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Well they should do another Next Generation project. They should resurrect Data by having Q bring him back. I got a good story idea for that. They could have Q do for Data what he did for Picard in the episode "The Tapestry." Give Data another chance to save the entire ship without getting himself killed too. When Data gets another chance, instead of firing his phaser into that engine matrix or whatever it was, he could set his phaser for overload and use it as like a grenade and toss it into that thing. Then he could have Picard and himself beamed out in time before that ship explodes. Killing Data off was the most stupid and illogical thing that they ever did in Star Trek history, and that's why I'm not sure I want to go to see the next movie that comes out unless Paramount wants to grant someone permission to resurrect Data.
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The idea sound good, defenitely woth a try (maybe a one-shot)
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Talking about Data and Q, I once read a BRILLIANT idea for a "bucket episode"/clip show:
Q abducts Data, and they sit in a black void, with only a pair of chairs for decoration - they discuss the developments of humanity a la Q's trial in the first and last episodes of the series. The clips come from Q and Data making their points. Data would be perfect as the dispassionate observer, and frankly John de Lancie could just sit there and be interesting to watch.
It ends ambiguously, and with a doomlaiden comment from Q about something that's "coming" in the next season.
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I don't think there are too many... people should just get the stuff they're interested in. Personally, with rare exceptions (Spotlight Borg was awesome) I was fairly bored with the Next Gen crew by the time the last few movies came out and the original era crew has been very comprehensively covered in books IMO... not a lot new to do.
New Frontier is therefore a breath of fresh air (albeit one that readers will get most out of if they're noddingly familiar with the characters involved. Which I love, but it makes it less likely to be a huge seller as singles. Could see it doing very well as a trade in future.)
| Quote: | | Killing Data off was the most stupid and illogical thing that they ever did in Star Trek history |
They should've let Patrick Stewart kill Picard off, as he'd (IIRC) wanted. Factoring in B4 was a cop-out... though a "B4 'dies' and afterwards someone downloads a memory dump into the body" trick could at least restore a status quo...
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Jason
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| Ro-Dan wrote: | | Hello, Jason. I don't know of any TNG projects that IDW may have planned. As for the TOS crew, right now we've got the two titles you're aware of. After that, I'm not really sure. Hopefully Ryall and company have plans for Kirk and Spock after Enterprise Experiment and Mirror Images. |
There's also Star Trek: Assignment Earth with Gary Seven. I knew I bought four Star Trek comics on my last trip to the LCS: The New Frontier comic, Mirror Images, Enterprise Experiment, and Assignment Earth.
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Jason
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| Denyer wrote: | | I don't think there are too many... people should just get the stuff they're interested in. Personally, with rare exceptions (Spotlight Borg was awesome) I was fairly bored with the Next Gen crew by the time the last few movies came out and the original era crew has been very comprehensively covered in books IMO... not a lot new to do. |
Well even if people are bored with Next Generation, that's still no reason to leave Data dead. He needs to be alive for all comics and novels to write ongoing stories about.
I wonder what bearing the new movie that's recasting the original crew will have on future Next Generation adentures if any. See if they can recast the original crew, they can recast the Next Generation crew including Data instead of giving into that stupid Brent Spiner's request to have him killed off. Anyone could play Data. If they had to kill off a regular character from Next Generation, I'd vote for Deanna Troi, since I never cared too much for her. I hate the way they showed a future where Data's still alive in the grand finale of Star Trek: The Next Generation and Troi being dead and then killed Data off instead in one of the movies. I always felt that she was overrated when they'd do stuff like put a publicity picture of her in one of the calendars.
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| Jason wrote: | | Well even if people are bored with Next Generation, that's still no reason to leave Data dead. He needs to be alive for all comics and novels to write ongoing stories about. |
No, Data remains dead in the post-Nemesis novels. Anyway, I'm not bored with The Next Generation or its characters. I don't think it would be an issue if the Next Gen movies had have actually been good ones. First Contact was the best of the bunch, but it was guilty of introducing the element which would ultimately lead to the utter castration of the Borg during the Voyager years.
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Jason
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| Duo Maxwell wrote: | | No, Data remains dead in the post-Nemesis novels. |
Then I'll never be buying post-Nemesis novels if they don't do something about resurrecting Data. It's as simple as that and getting me allowed to post on psi phi.
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Ro-Dan
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IDW can--and should--explore the Next Gen era between First Contact and Nemesis. I'm sure there are plenty of adventures about the Enterprise-E that can be explored. Plus, Data would still be alive in that era.
Also, it'd be cool to see some post-Nemesis stuff from IDW. Maybe an adventure involving Picard's Enterprise-E and Riker's Titan.
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| Jason wrote: | | He needs to be alive for all comics and novels to write ongoing stories about. |
Paramount had no objection to Janeway being killed either... if people want to use particular characters, they set a story in that character's personal timeline. Most of the original era crew didn't survive through to Next Gen, but we're still getting fiction about Sulu and the rest.
| Quote: | | Then I'll never be buying post-Nemesis novels |
You might want to particularly avoid 'Before Dishonor'.
| Quote: | | even if people are bored with Next Generation, that's still no reason to leave Data dead |
Mmm, I agree. Like I say, the earlier plan of Picard dying would've worked out better than Data, where the tone was of a semi-reversal at the end. Or indeed no-one dying, because Nemesis was **** and it would've been an ignominious ending for any character.
| Quote: | | if they can recast the original crew, they can recast the Next Generation crew |
I'm keeping an open mind on the next film, but doing the same stunt with Next Gen is something I'd personally steer clear of. Original era Trek wasn't "my" crew, so I'm not so attached to their younger selves, more the older versions in the books/movies.
| Quote: | | they showed a future |
I don't think any of those futures have panned out. Whole point was that it was an alternate timeline.
Troi was generally bloody useless, though...
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B4 is some kind of 'Rainman-Data' to me, not very funny  I really like the novel-series which are set after series, even Data remains dead.
Problem is, that everywhere only the 'famous' crews are shown. I'd prefer comic-series like 'Early Voyages' or 'Starfleet Academy', where new corners of this big universe are explored.
Nevertheless I also like the TNG- and TOS-Series from IDW very much and will continue to buy every issue of Star Trek Comic they bring up 
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| Ro-Dan wrote: | | Also, it'd be cool to see some post-Nemesis stuff from IDW. Maybe an adventure involving Picard's Enterprise-E and Riker's Titan. |
I believe there's a three book crossover due out soon, involving Next Generation, Titan and perhaps one other series, under the title "Star Trek: Destiny."
| Liebkraft wrote: | | I'd prefer comic-series like 'Early Voyages' or 'Starfleet Academy', where new corners of this big universe are explored. |
There are books like "Articles of the Federation" which don't put the spotlight on any of the famous crews. Instead, this particular book focused on the new Federation government which actually turned out pretty good. I think I read somewhere that the government is going to be revisted following the "Star Trek: Destiny" arc.
My only gripe with the current Next Gen post-Nemesis novels is the heavy focus on the whacked out version of the Borg. It began in "Resistance" and then spiraled into the disaster called "Before Dishonor" and the next novel is to pick up where that one left off. The sad part is, the plot is nowhere near as enjoyable as the "A Time to..." series, at least for me, anyway.
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| Denyer wrote: | | Jason wrote: | | He needs to be alive for all comics and novels to write ongoing stories about. |
Paramount had no objection to Janeway being killed either... if people want to use particular characters, they set a story in that character's personal timeline. Most of the original era crew didn't survive through to Next Gen, but we're still getting fiction about Sulu and the rest. |
Technically, we don't know if most of the original crew didn't survive until Next Generation's era, since no canon stories have been written about any of their deaths, except Kirk; and William Shatner brought Kirk back to life in his novels.
| Quote: | | Then I'll never be buying post-Nemesis novels |
You might want to particularly avoid 'Before Dishonor'.
| Denyer wrote: | | I'm keeping an open mind on the next film, but doing the same stunt with Next Gen is something I'd personally steer clear of. Original era Trek wasn't "my" crew, so I'm not so attached to their younger selves, more the older versions in the books/movies. |
Actually, in the case of Next Generation, they wouldn't have to recast the entire crew, just Data. They could do another Next Generation movie without Brent Spiner because anyone can act like an android. I could do a good job playing Data if they gave me the chance. After all, I'm the one who came up with a more logical plan of how Data could've saved the entire crew of the Enterprise without getting himself killed. Now if they wanted to include Deanna Troi and Marina Sirtis hasn't aged too much since Nemesis that they could still make her look fairly good in the movie with make-up, they could do that. Otherwise, they could just show her as someone who aged a bit and not worry about how attractive she might look. However, if looks are important to them and Marina Sirtis has aged too much for make-up to do much good, they could just say she died somehow in the movie and isn't alive anymore.
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