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Well, I am all for more Salvatore. I just finished the Charon's Claw novel, and then went back and read the Neverwinter Tales comics which apparently take place afterwards. Charon's Claw and the whole Neverwinter series has been great so far, it's good to see Artemis Entreri, one of best villains in fantasy, back in action. Would like to see him in some new comics, but Neverwinter Tales was interesting for what its sets up with the vampire Thibbledorf Pwent; he's always been sort of a comical character, but this adds a sort of pathos to him, and where the comic leaves off with him heading into the Underdark looks to be explored in the next novel, The Last Threshold.
The solicitation for this new comic intrigues me too. IIRC, when Salvatore last left off with Tos'un Del'Armgo, he had infiltrated a surface elf community pretending to be an enlightened drow like Drizzt Do'Urden, while really intending to take advantage of them... but eventually found that he truly WANTED to be good. So now it looks like he's raised a family with the elf maiden he fell in love with (this being 100 years later). But throwing Khazid'hea (an evil sentient sword that has a history of subtly trying to possess its wielders, including Drizzt Do'Urden and his wife Catti-Brie) into the mix will surely complicate things. I love the world and characters Salvatore has built up over the years, so I'm glad to see more comics from him. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: New Dungeons & Dragons comics? |
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Yeah, I had the same reaction. 
So far, the FR campaign is 0-for-2 in my book. Let's see if third time is the charm. If not, then I am no longer picking up any FR-related books. |
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I'm undecided as yet if I will pick this up. I like Salvatore's writing okay, but I just want Fell's Five so much... I guess I'm a little peeved at seeing a comic that's witty, cleverly written, with interesting characters and an intricate plot, sidelined in favour of "big names". And especially since all the other IDW stuff I collect - Transformers, TMNT, MLP, Locke & Key - is so good... I guess I got a bit more picky.
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| I find Salvatore's characters very interesting, and I find the Forgotten Realms setting much more interesting with its history, unique places, and extensive detail, than the new D&D "Points of Light" setting which seems very simplified and generic to me from the novels I've read. I think that may be why we're coming it at it from different perspectives, you guys seem like you're only familiar with the comics. |
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Please don't be assumptive. It kind of makes you come off like "I know more about this stuff than you so I'm in a better position to judge" and it's not even true. I'm very familiar with the Forgotten Realms setting: I've played in it and I've read about a hundred or more of the novels, including all of Salvatore's and Greenwood's. We simply like the D&D comics better because they are better comics. That is a perfectly valid assessment to make and it doesn't need to be discredited by the insinuation that we don't know our background stuff.
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Well, I said you *seem* like you are only familiar with the comics, and that is what it seemed like to me. Sorry for offending you  |
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Did you see WotC's GenCon Keynote Address, back in August 2012?
They pretty much said that D&D Next and Forgotten Realms development would go hand in hand, with focus being totally on Forgotten Realms until it was done.
That has got to have some sort of implications on the comics that WotC authorise.
I can see them allowing partly finished lines to complete. And I can see them allowing the reprints (as they recently set up the D&D Classics website with DriveThru RPG), but I can imagine them wanting IDW to build new comics that support the Forgotten Realms plan.
Part of that plan is an event called The Sundering, which is supposedly going to put big characters into the background and make the PCs the people that can save the world. So I'd be guessing that IDW might be doing a line of Sundering comics at some stage.
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| Big Mac wrote: | Did you see WotC's GenCon Keynote Address, back in August 2012?
They pretty much said that D&D Next and Forgotten Realms development would go hand in hand, with focus being totally on Forgotten Realms until it was done.
That has got to have some sort of implications on the comics that WotC authorise.
I can see them allowing partly finished lines to complete. And I can see them allowing the reprints (as they recently set up the D&D Classics website with DriveThru RPG), but I can imagine them wanting IDW to build new comics that support the Forgotten Realms plan.
Part of that plan is an event called The Sundering, which is supposedly going to put big characters into the background and make the PCs the people that can save the world. So I'd be guessing that IDW might be doing a line of Sundering comics at some stage. |
Yeah. I mentioned in another thread that someone close to Ed Greenwood suggested that they would be publishing Sundering comics in-house, but given the upcoming release of Salvatore's Cutter series, I don't know if that is the case. But I hear good things about the Sundering, that it's supposed to take the Realms back to its roots. While I can certainly understand that people who enjoyed Fell's Five would like to see it again, I prefer to look forward to what WotC and IDW have planned for the future. |
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| CylverSaber wrote: | | I find Salvatore's characters very interesting, and I find the Forgotten Realms setting much more interesting with its history, unique places, and extensive detail, than the new D&D "Points of Light" setting which seems very simplified and generic to me from the novels I've read. I think that may be why we're coming it at it from different perspectives, you guys seem like you're only familiar with the comics. |
Trust me, my dislike for the FR comic books has nothing to do with the lack of knowledge of the campaign. They have been, by far, some of the worst comic books I have ever read because many, if not all, of the aspects of what makes a good comic book are not there.
The NEVERWINTER mini-series took too many issues, and money, to be told. This could have easily been told as an Annual-sized book or even a two-parter (I'll even accept three) and it would have flowed much better and been more engaging. Instead, it dragged for five issues moving at a snail's pace and left nothing interesting in the process. Definitely not worth $20. I even e-mailed IDW and told them of my disappointment of the series.
This FR series that just ended was just awful. The premise was good and it had potential, but the execution was bad. The dialogue did not flow, the scenes were awkward and half the time I did not know what was going on nor was I too interested. I hate to say this, but it's true -- it is the worst story I have read in recent memory, and I mean within the last twenty years. Yeah, I thought it was that bad.
I'm sure the FR campaign is great. It's one of the longest and most popular campaigns in D&D, so something has to be right about it. But these two books have been bad and I'm hoping CUTTER is a step in the right direction. If not, then I am done with the FR books.
Look at Fell's Five and the Eberron titles. Now those were great books! |
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| swordmaster wrote: | | CylverSaber wrote: | | I find Salvatore's characters very interesting, and I find the Forgotten Realms setting much more interesting with its history, unique places, and extensive detail, than the new D&D "Points of Light" setting which seems very simplified and generic to me from the novels I've read. I think that may be why we're coming it at it from different perspectives, you guys seem like you're only familiar with the comics. |
Trust me, my dislike for the FR comic books has nothing to do with the lack of knowledge of the campaign. They have been, by far, some of the worst comic books I have ever read because many, if not all, of the aspects of what makes a good comic book are not there.
The NEVERWINTER mini-series took too many issues, and money, to be told. This could have easily been told as an Annual-sized book or even a two-parter (I'll even accept three) and it would have flowed much better and been more engaging. Instead, it dragged for five issues moving at a snail's pace and left nothing interesting in the process. Definitely not worth $20. I even e-mailed IDW and told them of my disappointment of the series.
This FR series that just ended was just awful. The premise was good and it had potential, but the execution was bad. The dialogue did not flow, the scenes were awkward and half the time I did not know what was going on nor was I too interested. I hate to say this, but it's true -- it is the worst story I have read in recent memory, and I mean within the last twenty years. Yeah, I thought it was that bad.
I'm sure the FR campaign is great. It's one of the longest and most popular campaigns in D&D, so something has to be right about it. But these two books have been bad and I'm hoping CUTTER is a step in the right direction. If not, then I am done with the FR books.
Look at Fell's Five and the Eberron titles. Now those were great books! |
Fell's Five didn't grab me based on the one issue I read, though perhaps it got more interesting as it went on. I'm not saying that the FR comics were great, I think Ed Greenwood's series moved very slowly and failed to bring in interesting characters, while Neverwinter I think is more interesting now that its proper context is being established by the novels. BUT regardless, it's surprising to me to see people here expressing disinterest even in upcoming FR comics... "Oh, it's more Salvatore." I would think that fans of the setting would be interested to see what's next, and not only looking back at a cancelled series (however good). I too hope that CUTTER steps up the quality from the previous comics, but having been reading the Forgotten Realms (and Salvatore's writing) for more than 20 years, it would take more than a few weak comics to make me lose interest in the setting altogether. That's why it seemed to me like you guys might not have been into the setting as much as me, not that your criticism of the previous books was invalid. |
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| CylverSaber wrote: | | Fell's Five didn't grab me based on the one issue I read, though perhaps it got more interesting as it went on. I'm not saying that the FR comics were great, I think Ed Greenwood's series moved very slowly and failed to bring in interesting characters, while Neverwinter I think is more interesting now that its proper context is being established by the novels. BUT regardless, it's surprising to me to see people here expressing disinterest even in upcoming FR comics... "Oh, it's more Salvatore." I would think that fans of the setting would be interested to see what's next, and not only looking back at a cancelled series (however good). I too hope that CUTTER steps up the quality from the previous comics, but having been reading the Forgotten Realms (and Salvatore's writing) for more than 20 years, it would take more than a few weak comics to make me lose interest in the setting altogether. That's why it seemed to me like you guys might not have been into the setting as much as me, not that your criticism of the previous books was invalid. |
I'm actually eager to read more Salvatore, but not if it's anything like NEVERWINTER. IDW books are too expensive to have decompressed stories. If a two-issue story is stretch into five issues I simply cannot afford to be following such a story. It needs to be to the point, just like any well-written would be and, thus, easier on my wallet too.
I hope CUTTER redeems the franchise in my eyes. It would be sad if the only D&D comic books being published are ones that I'm not interested in purchasing. 
Incidentally, has anyone read the recent MAGIC: THE GATHERING mini-series? Aside from some inking issues (where the pictures were too dark to see) I think it's been really good so far... solid and consistent. I hope more stories are published soon. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I actually used to be a pretty big Salvatore fan back in the day. But both his latest novel and his IDW mini failed to really interest me, so I'm not really looking forward to more of the same. Plus, we keep hoping and hoping and hoping for more Fell's Five, but keep getting disappointed and with no word from IDW about it - well, that's also a factor. If the choice is between a comic I really, really like and one I'm neutral about (which is about my current stance on Salvatore) - yeah, I do feel kinda let down by this news.
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| swordmaster wrote: | | Incidentally, has anyone read the recent MAGIC: THE GATHERING mini-series? Aside from some inking issues (where the pictures were too dark to see) I think it's been really good so far... solid and consistent. I hope more stories are published soon. |
Haven't read it... last time I followed MAGIC was back during the storyline with the Weatherlight and the Phyrexians. Is it still following those characters?
| Sprite wrote: | | I actually used to be a pretty big Salvatore fan back in the day. But both his latest novel and his IDW mini failed to really interest me, so I'm not really looking forward to more of the same. |
Oh, see I couldn't disagree more about the novel, I thought Charon's Claw was really good, especially for the way it developed Entreri's character and his relationship with Drizzt. I can't wait to see where they go with that.
Now, it looks like this new comic series won't be following that particular thread, but I find Tos'un an interesting character in his own right... he's certainly not as forthright and moral as Drizzt, but there's something in him seeking redemption nonetheless. I will be curious to see how the dark elf culture influences the children he raises on the surface. I don't know if you read the earlier stories with him, but he went from being a pretty evil, manipulative schemer (basically instigating the orc war against Mithril Hall) to surprising himself with an actual desire to become something better. So I think that makes him an interesting, complex character. |
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Wondercon's coming up. Although there'll be something on D&D, nothing on Fell's Five yet. However, I had the following conversation with John Barber on Twitter:
| John Barber, on Twitter wrote: | | There'll be lots of love for D&D and Magic; My Little Ponies creators Amy Mebberson and Heather Nuhfer answering your Ponies questions! |
| Sprite wrote: | | D&D? Will we finally see the return of Fell's Five? Pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease... |
| John Barber wrote: | | Man--I retweeted when I meant to reply. To stave off disappointment--that's not an announcement at Wondercon--but don't give up! |
| Sprite wrote: | | I shall keep hope then. That series has quite an enthusiastic following, you know! |
| John Barber wrote: | | I do know that. I'm one of that following!!! |
So that sounds hopeful. At least we know Fell's Five is still in his thoughts...
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