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[TurtlePowerYoJoe]

If I may, Scarlett and Baroness and their respective sexiness are always welcome ingredients in the rich stew that is GI Joe. IDW has not been unsuccessful there, but I would like to request further sexiness from these fine strong characters.

Whether that be more cheesecake on occasion, or perhaps a tasteful sex scene, let's not forget that sexuality is a healthy thing, yessir. Granted, on the battlefield it is tough for love to bloom, but hey, there's always room for sexy.

Cover Girl is also encouraged.

Yo Joe, thank you.

(This post is made in a lighthearted style, but sexuality really isn't something that needs to be scoffed at or put away in a box. It'd be a perfectly acceptable element at times for this piece of entertainment.)
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[Quickswitch]

On the topic of sexiness, if I may, some Zandar please! In ARAH and the other Joe books! Pretty-boy bare-chested longish-haired goodness. None of you boys know what you're looking at. "Forgettable" my behind.

[Viceroy]

[abner419]

I like me some sexy Joe and Cobra girls!!!

[TurtlePowerYoJoe]

Very much agreed, Yo Joe!
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[Rockhammer]

Guys, pin-ups and the like are one thing, but I really don't want to read a G.i.Joe book and see sex scenes. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but I don't see the need for that. I don't want a cheap soap opera; I want an action book.

G.i.Joe has been a fine comic since the early 80s without any need to resort to this. I say let's keep it up. Unless critical to the story (for instance, a cobra operative resorting to sex to get classified info), I don't see the point. And even then, I can just be tastefully hinted at instead of graphically shown.

I always had a difficult time entertaining the notion of scantily-clad girls firing automatic weapons (sexy as it is). Practically, the chances of injury make that very impractical. The chances of burns from spent casings alone attest to it being a bad idea, and only something that would happen as a last resort (say an op is cornered and caught by surprise).

I'm all for cheesecake pin-up style calendars... but I don't want unrealistic depictions in the story.
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[FredVIII]

No thank you! Frankly I find that sort of thing crass. Lowest common denominator pandering.

A large part of the appeal of Joe--Larry's Joe at any rate--comes from the respect shown to soldiers. Joes are capable warriors to be sure, but above all virtuous ones: loyal, honorable, brave, and self-sacrificing. When it comes to Joes, it's what's on the inside that counts. I could care less about what the outside looks like.

Besides, if you want sexiness a property based on a child's toy, it seems to me, is not the best place to look.

My $.02.

[TurtlePowerYoJoe]

I see where you're coming from, but for example I love Costa's run which features sexuality and all sorts of adult themes quite a lot. There are far more adult things in G.I. Joe than sexuality, so it's history as a toy line doesn't necessarily weigh too heavily on this current line of comics.
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[shanecdavis]

Totally agree on upping the sexiness a bit in any and all of the Joe titles, especially the COBRA title, which would mean a change of interior artist since Fuso does a woeful job at it.

Thumbs down though on depicting a sex scene in a Joe comic. It would be no different than Dixon wasting a bunch of pages on high school BS between Scarlett and Mainframe while a full-scale war is raging on the other side of the globe. Wasted space. I take soap opera moments in my Joe stories exactly like I take salt on my steak - just a dash.

[Viceroy]

Yeah! Unless HASBRO actually agrees to ramping GI Joe to a Mature Reader's book, it'll never happen. (NB: A more serious take on GI Joe would be fine by me. I never had anything bad to say about DDP's GI Joe Reloaded because I feel that's how GI Joe should've been portrayed from Day 1 at the Marvel series! More seriousness! Scale back the damned humor and jokes by 99.99%!
To be fair, I think Beauty and Sexiness are in the eye of the beholder. I mean, just as some fans may think Lady J is sexy, given the way she flaunts her assets such as they are (she's the only female Joe seen with cleavage; and in DDP's GI Joe Vs. Transformers, she also bares her midriff!) , others won't. And don't think just because a heroine bares skin she's automatically 'sexy'. Psylocke and the White Queen of The X-Men 's attires are hardly wholesome, still I never liked either of them. It depends on the viewer/fan to decide who's hot and who isn't.
By the same token, wearing something skintight isn't insurance a girl's 'sexy' either. I never liked Seven of Nine (to be fair, I never liked Star Trek: Voyager) . And while Scarlett wears a leotard, only Adam Hughes (see GI Joe Vol. 1 #111) really made her look sexy wearing her original outfit.
While its very unlikely we'll ever see any of the female Joes act as femmes fatales (Cobra has a far better chance of having this happen), it would be interesting if Larry or Chuck Dixon wrote a tale where say, Duke (as Acting First Sergeant) proposes to Hawk that to compromise a suspected Cobra sympathizer, one of the girls should play Mata Hari. It should be interesting to see how the female Joes will react. Remember SM #24? (Lt. Falcon to Hawk: I hear the girls are upset!) Its unlikely Hawk will approve, still knowing what the gals feel about playing such games would be fascinating, if written in good taste and sensibly.)
The girls looking hot and sexy?
1)Scarlett by Adam Hughes, Jesse D. Orozco and Nelson Blake II
2)Jinx by Eddy Barrows and Tim Seeley
3)Baroness by Russ Heath
4)Agent Helix ( I liked the way she was presented, Its like having a likable version of Lady J or Totally Spies' Clover in the team!)
5)Lady J by E J Su (GI Joe Vs. Transformers II)
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[shanecdavis]

Couldn't agree more about beauty and sexy being in the eye of the beholder, especially when you present a case about Lady Jaye flaunting her assets and Scarlett not. Let's start with the photo of their respective toy:



Now let's look at their cartoon renderings:



Lastly a comparison of the Marvel run. Granted Frank Springer wasn't the best at drawing either Scarlett or Lady Jaye, but it is really the outfit we are after anyway.



Now, one of the two is definitely trying to show off her assets, but it isn't Lady Jaye like you are attempting to convey. I won't argue that Lady Jaye is showing a hint of cleavage up top, but how can you seriously argue that Scarlett isn't totally showing off EVERYTHING she has????? Not that I have ever had a problem with it, other than the fact that a skilled soldier wouldn't be prancing around in such an outfit in the first place. Her outfit screams "LOOK AT ME!!!!!", while Lady Jaye's uniform, especially in the cartoon, hides a lot more than it shows.

Of course all this is moot since Cover Girl is sexier than the two of them put together. At least she never felt the need to flaunt what she had and in fact went to great lengths to hide it.

[Viceroy]

I wouldn't be too sure about that one about Cover Girl, Shane. Granted she was a former model, but unlike Scarlett and Lady J, until the AE era, she never had any prospective admirers in the team proper. Besides, I think her uniform's color scheme isn't that appealing. Beige and brown?
As I posted, beauty and sexiness is a matter of the eye of the beholder. When The Avengers film in 1998 was screened, Uma Thurman (who took the role of Emma Peel) met fans who told her openly: "Emma Peel; my teenage sexuality was built around her.' As Ms. Thurman told Starlog Magazine, she thought that the classic TV series would have Diana Rigg (who played Mrs. Peel) as a vamp or a siren, someone who would be overtly sexy. Instead she saw it was just a matter of perception. Diana Rigg was (and still is) very beautiful, but her outfits were never really suggestive , especially compared to pop culture today. Also, a trait Emma Peel shared with a lot of heroines (Scarlett included) is that she projects vulnerability, also, she retains her feminity. She doesn't act like a tomboy.
Interesting that you posted that shot from GI Joe Vol. 1 #32 since Lady J accuses Scarlett of being 'tawdry' yet as the series progresses. especially circa GI Joe #s 146-151, she herself winds up wearing a jumpsuit very much like Sam's on Totally Spies! Of course, Sammie has a better figure than LJ!
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[shanecdavis]

Cover Girl didn't have any prospective admirers because she was unattainable. Let's be real for a moment. She was a super model AND an expert mechanic! The only way she would be more desirable to men in the military was if she was a die-hard sports fan on top of that! None of the Joes were anywhere near her league, but that didn't stop Clutch from at least trying, in the beginning anyway. That's the main reason why I thought it was so stupid of DDP to pair her up with one of the Joes, let alone Shipwreck! The "beauty and the beast" angle was super lame.

I do agree that her uniform wasn't appealing at all, but all you have to do is read her filecard to understand why - "Cover Girl finds that she must work against her beauty to prove herself. She's compelled to learn and master decidedly unfeminine disciplines. Her self-assurance and stunning good looks reduce most men to stuttering fools." Unlike Scarlett, and to a lesser extent Lady Jaye, she didn't have to show off her "goods". On the contrary, as I said before, she went to great lengths to hide them. That said, you can't be a supermodel without being incredibly sexy. That's kind of required for the job.

It was a damn shame though that such a unique character with so much potential was overlooked by Mr. Hama. We tend to forget that her SMOS was Intelligence and that she undoubtedly had all kinds of of international connections due to her previous occupation. I wish we would have been able to see her used more often than constantly going with the over-hyped red-head.

[TurtlePowerYoJoe]

[shanecdavis]