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Iacon_Pax
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| Sprite wrote: | | Also I would argue Prowl actually might define what the Autobot regime has become, losing sight of the people in favour of the ultimate goal. If there's anyone who's done questionable things in the name of the Autobot cause, it's Prowl, after all. |
Prowl's face is the template for the Autobot symbol. Do NOT doubt him or question his motivations!!! |
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partholon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:50 am Post subject: |
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| Sprite wrote: | | Also I would argue Prowl actually might define what the Autobot regime has become, losing sight of the people in favour of the ultimate goal. If there's anyone who's done questionable things in the name of the Autobot cause, it's Prowl, after all. |
yup.
and its worth pointing out that his spiritual leader - optimus prime - is gone. im reminded of a line from a back issue where someone compared the current autobots as akin to the cons when they started and how the cons had become somthing so much worse.
it really took this issue for it to sink in with me but i think the guy is genuinely morally lost in this brave new world as ALL the things he had faith in have fallen away. hell even the return of the nail forced him to confront the fact he almost ran away.
prime kept him on the straight and narrow, even if just by only being there and providing an example of how to fight the fight honorably . who's he meant to respect now - bumblebee ?
first chance he got he tried to execute megs.
more and more despite the focus on other characters i get the feeling this entire series is really all about prowl and how without the war and prime what kind of bot is he really at heart.
in a very real sense i get the feeling that prowl decided they lost the day the nails forced prime to leave.
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| Felt dirty looking at that last panel with Wheeljack on his knees, pretty much a hostage. |
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drae77
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| partholon wrote: | | yup. and its worth pointing out that his spiritual leader - optimus prime - is gone. im reminded of a line from a back issue where someone compared the current autobots as akin to the cons when they started and how the cons had become somthing so much worse. |
Think that was Drift IIRC in some sort of flash back about his motivations, maybe in his mini
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His Spotlight, during his conversation with Turmoil.
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DanielW
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| Iacon_Pax wrote: | | DanielW wrote: | Prowl is the Autobot version of Thundercracker.
Cracker believes not in his leader, not in his companions, not in the overall plan of his faction but in what the faction stands for - the idea of what it means to be Decepticon rather then what it *is* to be Decepticon. He's the quintessential "lone voice" telling the world to move rather then change his beliefs. In the end, that meant abandoning his allies because they'd moved so far from that ideal and are just marching towards revelling in pointless death and destruction. In Prowl's case, the Autobots have become just like the old regime, what it meant to be Autobot has been lost. However, Prowl sees himself as an outsider to that rather then internalising the belief system and taking himself out of the faction (as Cracker did) Prowl's externalised himself to the belief system in order to save the faction.
Prowl's going to work with Megatron in order to push the Autobots to become like they used to, while Cracker has simply given up on the Decepticons - it's possible that they'll both play a role in creating a third faction, Prowl to give the NAILs purpose, Cracker to give them something to believe in, or it may be possible that Cracker's on the DJD's list, and Megatron will repay Prowl's actions with a fusion cannon to the head. |
I may be misreading you, but are you saying that the way Thundercracker believes in the ideals of being a Decepticon but not the methods/people, Prowl believes in the ideals of being an Autobot but not the methods/people? If so, I think I disagree. IF (and that's a big IF), Prowl is not working some bigger scheme with double- and triple-crosses, but things are to be believed as they seem, then I would think that Prowl has steadily migrated towards believing that the Decepticon ideals are correct. Essentially, he's like Thundercracker in that he may believe in the ideals, but not the methods or people, however he is not the Autobot equivalent of Thundercracker. |
actually, I think Prowl may not believe in the Autobot ideals, but in the people who are Autobot. Whereas Cracker abandoned his allies and friends for his ideals, Prowl has abandoned his ideals for his allies and friends.
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Iacon_Pax
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| DanielW wrote: | | Iacon_Pax wrote: | | DanielW wrote: | Prowl is the Autobot version of Thundercracker.
Cracker believes not in his leader, not in his companions, not in the overall plan of his faction but in what the faction stands for - the idea of what it means to be Decepticon rather then what it *is* to be Decepticon. He's the quintessential "lone voice" telling the world to move rather then change his beliefs. In the end, that meant abandoning his allies because they'd moved so far from that ideal and are just marching towards revelling in pointless death and destruction. In Prowl's case, the Autobots have become just like the old regime, what it meant to be Autobot has been lost. However, Prowl sees himself as an outsider to that rather then internalising the belief system and taking himself out of the faction (as Cracker did) Prowl's externalised himself to the belief system in order to save the faction.
Prowl's going to work with Megatron in order to push the Autobots to become like they used to, while Cracker has simply given up on the Decepticons - it's possible that they'll both play a role in creating a third faction, Prowl to give the NAILs purpose, Cracker to give them something to believe in, or it may be possible that Cracker's on the DJD's list, and Megatron will repay Prowl's actions with a fusion cannon to the head. |
I may be misreading you, but are you saying that the way Thundercracker believes in the ideals of being a Decepticon but not the methods/people, Prowl believes in the ideals of being an Autobot but not the methods/people? If so, I think I disagree. IF (and that's a big IF), Prowl is not working some bigger scheme with double- and triple-crosses, but things are to be believed as they seem, then I would think that Prowl has steadily migrated towards believing that the Decepticon ideals are correct. Essentially, he's like Thundercracker in that he may believe in the ideals, but not the methods or people, however he is not the Autobot equivalent of Thundercracker. |
actually, I think Prowl may not believe in the Autobot ideals, but in the people who are Autobot. Whereas Cracker abandoned his allies and friends for his ideals, Prowl has abandoned his ideals for his allies and friends. |
I am telling myself that none of this is true, and Prowl is still playing the Decepticons into his bigger plan.
However, if we take things at face value, then I disagree with you. At the very least, he seems to have turned on Wheeljack. I feel like he believes in the overarching Autobot ideals so strongly, that he's willing to be the bad guy in order to make them happen. Sort of a "I will sin so that others do not have to" kind of mentality. |
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DanielW
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well quite - he's working with Megs in order to save the Autobots.
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| Thundercracker wrote: | | Felt dirty looking at that last panel with Wheeljack on his knees, pretty much a hostage. |
When I scanned that double page to see Prowl holding or appearing to hold downWheeljack it was a pivotal moment. And done in a perfect way. He wasnt front and cenre or in the middle he was at the side. Megatron was on one side and Prowl the other. It was done to absolute maximum effect in my opinion.
I dont think Prowl has turned. You feel hes looking to betray the cons. Im wondering though does Soundwave have mind reading abilities here? Because if he does Prowl will have to work extra hard not to be discovered.
I am also wondering will Wheeljack be a part of the team that repairs Megatron and I wonder if he is will he add a failsafe into Megatrons repairs?
Have to wait and see.
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| Thundercracker wrote: | | Felt dirty looking at that last panel with Wheeljack on his knees, pretty much a hostage. |
I'm REALLY glad those last four words are there...
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| KJ wrote: | | Thundercracker wrote: | | Felt dirty looking at that last panel with Wheeljack on his knees, pretty much a hostage. |
I'm REALLY glad those last four words are there... |
 You have as dirty a mind as I do KJ.
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Thundercracker
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| KJ wrote: | | Thundercracker wrote: | | Felt dirty looking at that last panel with Wheeljack on his knees, pretty much a hostage. |
I'm REALLY glad those last four words are there... |
LOL! After re-reading my post, yes it can be construed to be a little promiscuous. |
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It will be interesting to see if Wheeljack is in on it and even goes so far as taking a beating to keep up the charade?
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My two cents on why Prowl isn't playing Megatron: every one here can now see it coming. I just can't see all the build-up leading into "evil Decepticons have conquered Cybertron and heroic Autobots are fighting them as rebels" thing. That's Marvel and Dreamwave stuff.
I actually hope Starscream doesn't side with Autobots, although looking at the cover of #16, my hopes are probably vain. It would be much more interesting to see his and Megatron's relationship truly fleshed out. I remember it was Starscream that first came to Megatron in Megatron:Origin. He didn't need a push from Megatron. |
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