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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:29 pm    Post subject: Kaiju Appearance Scorecard Reply with quote

'Twas done on Toho Kingdom, so I thought I'd bring it over here.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12867

Arbok wrote:
This thread tracks how often the various kaiju appear in the IDW comics, get an idea of who might be appearing a lot, appearing more than you expected or appearing less than you expected.

Feel free to comment about someone who should be used more or used too much, or however you want to use this data.

In terms of format, it's ordered by number of appearances, stating the name of the kaiju and how many times they appeared. Kiryu counts toward Mechagodzilla's appearances, naturally, although a separate counter for Kiryu himself is in brackets next to Mechagodzilla. Please note, covers are not counted toward an appearance, it has to be inside the comic itself.

Godzilla: 37
Battra: 20
Rodan: 19
Anguirus: 19
Kumonga: 16
Mechagodzilla: 14 [Kiryu: 4]
Mothra: 11
King Ghidorah: 11
Titanosaurus: 9
Gigan: 8
SpaceGodzilla: 7
Hedorah: 7
Monster X: 4
Destoroyah: 2
Ebirah: 1
Megalon: 1


Updated through: Godzilla #11


I will update this list as each issue comes out.

So what do you think? Who's been appearing too much/not enough?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have counted the three types of Mecha-Godzilla seperatly.

and I only remember one apperance by Destoroyah, the Anguirus Legends apperance. When was it seen again?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhuen wrote:
I would have counted the three types of Mecha-Godzilla seperatly.


Both the Showa and Heisei Mechagodzillas are just different incarnations of Mechagodzilla. I'd be like seperating Showa Anguirus and Final Wars Anguirus. Kiryu is different because... well, I think it's only because he has a different name than just 'Mechagodzilla'.

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and I only remember one apperance by Destoroyah, the Anguirus Legends apperance. When was it seen again?


Legends #3.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

except that MechaGodzilla one is an alien robot.

while MechaGodzilla 2 is Earth Defense forces.

a fact that makes IDW have to be careful which gets used and when. So the original barrel shaped one can only appear when aliens are involved, thus why its only been seen once. While the Heisei era one is human made and can show up more easily.

Kiryu, is also a challenge as it has to somehow incorporate being based directly on Godzilla rather than just a simular shape.

For IDW in other words the use of each version has to depend on the situation; where as Anguirus has the same backstory (lack of any really) and which version is used is up to which look they like the most or thinks fits.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More Biollante, Anguirus, Sanda, Gaira, Ebirah, and Gigan.

Forgot about 8.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Destoroyah could use a little more love. True he did have a large (awesome) role in Legends 1, but I would like to see him in the Ongoing or something!

I'm also expecting more out of Megalon and Ebirah after the 13 Ongoing issues are overwith and HCW is through. Something tells me Hedorah, SpaceG, Gigan and X will have decent amount of page time. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah I agree, I'd love to see Destoroyah in an ongoing, along with Biollante and King Caesar one of my favorite monsters

after: Godzilla, Rodan, and Mothra of course, those three were like childhood heroes to me and King Ghidora (mostly because my first Godzilla movie as a child that got me hooked was Gidrah the three headed monster).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhuen wrote:
except that MechaGodzilla one is an alien robot.

while MechaGodzilla 2 is Earth Defense forces.


I think the best way to make these distinctions is to use Toho's copyright symbols as a guide. That is, if Toho has made a copyright symbol for the monster, then it should have a new entry.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the MG thingy: At the end of the day, they're both Mechagodzilla, and that's really all that determines it.

On topic: Anyway, poor Destoroyah is being ignored. Other than the first Legends, the poor guy got virtually no attention. We needs moar Dessy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing about Destoroyah is, he's so big. And I don't mean in scale, I mean in powerset, reputation, expectation... we're talking about a monster that was nigh on unbeatable, who has killed members of the Godzilla family, and whose very *name* instills one with a sense of futility, chaos, destruction and Evil.
No other monster, bar perhaps King Ghidorah or Godzilla himself, is going to be trickier to write. He's the endgame; the Onii... to be unleashed only when you need to make sure things can never be the same again. He's Doomday; he's Onslaught... and to trot him out frequently is to deminish him.

So, yeah, two appearances in, what, two years? You ask me, that's about right. And only because one of those appearances was ghosted into an ensemble and said nothing specific about him.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with the above statement. Destroyah is probably the single most powerful monster in the entire series.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, Destoroyah doesn't have to be depicted as one of the strongest monsters there is. It depends on the writer/story. Just 'cause he was pretty strong in the film don't mean he has to be extremly powerful in the comic. Yes, he obviously shouldn't be weak or anything, it's just that he doesn't always have to be one of the most powerful monsters there is.

Example: King Ghidorah in KOM. Godzilla's arch enemy was turned into a pathetic weakling. Whereas he should have been extrememly hard to beat. Heck, Battra was tougher than him.

Destoroyah still needs more comic appearances. I suspect we'll be seeing him somewhat soon. Hopefully in the next series (be it a mini or the Ongoing).

I want to see his other forms, specifically his Aggregate form. We've seen a few of Hedorah's. Siper Mechagodzilla. Even Spacegodzilla's flying form. I hope to see Destoroyah change forms in his next comic appearance.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, yeah he could be misused like King Ghidorah was... but just look at the reaction *that* got.

Forgive me for assuming that the people who wanted to see more of him would want to see him done right.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. See, you were acting like he *had* to be hugely powerful. All I'm saying is that that's not true. He doesn't *have* to be. Obviously that's what we'd want, duh, but it's not like he can't be weak.

Just because he's a big and tough monster doesn't mean he should be limited to few comic appearences. That's all I'm trying to say here.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I'm saying, in that case, why use *him*? If the reader is willing to sacrifice what defines that character just so they can see him more often, then what exactly do they want to see him for?

With Ghidorah there was acceptable exception, because it was based on the GMK incarnation of Ghidorah, who *was* smaller and less powerful. And even then, people were still unhappy. Also, look how unhappy people were with how fast Mechagodzilla U.N. and Kiryu were taken down.

Do you really want more of that?

I recognize that the possibility is there to write him as a powered-down version of himself... But I also recognize that there is the *possibility* that he could be written like an affectionate kitten.

The point I'm making is that it is too undesirable a compromise just so that we can see him more often. And I certainly don't feel that he *should* appear more often if it means such compromises were going to be made.
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