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sueworld · Transforumer Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 1215

Unless this thread is for the comics, I feel it's a little 'redundant', and will probably only serve as yet another reason for folks to get 'heated' with each other.
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cheryl · Forum Zombie Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 483

Was asked to move our discussion somewhere else Sueworld. So I did.
Nobody has gotten heated so far in the discussion, unless you're talking from a personal perspective. Everyone else has had the chance to get their thoughts out there, now suddely Xane shows up with a question and it's went too far?

sueworld · Transforumer Joined: 08 Mar 2007 Posts: 1215

I've said what I have to say in regard to this matter love.
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DihcarEM · Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:19 am Post subject:

Sure, i would like to see a Spike "canon" comic series happen. And while others have already commented on the fact that it sorta already did happen with Asylum and Shadow Puppets, i partly disagree.
The fact that it's set in season5 and not post-nfa makes a world of difference.
Spike to me has got more then enough layers to be the lead, his amazing evolution from big bad to white hat. His long history, which we still know only very little about.

There is so much potential for Spike that simply isn't in other characters.
The way i see it these four people will be the big players in the biggest apocaylpse coming. Buffy(greatest slayer),Willow(most powerful witch),Spike(vampire-warrior) and Angel(vampire with a soul), those are the four white hats with the most power and chance of saving the world for good.

I don't want Spike to cut ties with Buffy or Angel, whatever else, they are all connected in their mutual mission against evil. I would have rather wanted him to be used within a limit in After the fall, coming in from time to time and helping out and not as a constant by Angel's side.
And somewhere else then LA, which is more Angel's playground.
Spike i believe would fit better in New York, or globe-trotting.
Definitely not Dru as the bigbad, who just isn't that big of a threat to Spike, and she is more Angel's mess to deal with anyway.
I don't see him ever wanting to fit in with neither the scoobies or the fang-gang, which i have come to see more of fans wanting to victemize Spike as a weak little puppy, when he isn't. He either forces his way into a group and earn respect, or is satisfied with being on the outside.
The only one who he ever wanted validation from was Buffy in season 7, which he got. Both Buffy and Angel consider Spike a champion, that says it all.

cheryl · Forum Zombie Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 483

I think Faith and Illyria are also big names in the war against evil. Oz could be pretty menacing when called upon to help as well.

You pretty much described exactly what I had in mind DihcarEM, Spike wouldn't be excluded from anything, he would become master of his own Universe. It might even be cool to throw Faith in there with him. Vampire and Slayer...take two.

I do disagree about Dru though, we haven't seen the nightmare that she could inflict upon Spike. Spike had some series anger issues against Angel in season 5 and it was pretty much all about Dru in that one particular episode. Not sure he's going to get over that anytime soon.

Sueworld o.k., no biggy.

pshand05 · Transforumer Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1233 Location: NY

I'd also love an ongoing Spike series, particularly one that is canon. As said above, he'd be great in New York City. One thing I would want, though, is for him to be an ANGEL character for a bit longer before he would spin off. ANGEL doesn't have many surviving characters any more, so I'd want the series to get back on its feet before Spike would leave.

cheryl · Forum Zombie Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 483

pshand05...I had never really given that much thought to how easily Illyria could be influenced to join the other side but you're right. She could go either way.[/b]

DihcarEM · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:28 am Post subject:

cheryl · Forum Zombie Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 483

I think you misunderstood what I meant about Dru. I'll relay in to an Angel situation, maybe that will help. Angel and Darla.
Angel too, chose Buffy over Darla, even went so far as to stake her to protect Buffy in season 1, that didn't prevent an amazing storyline years later between the two.
IMO, Dru would be a terrible thing to waste in Spike's story because there are just so many possibilities left. Endless possibilities that would allow for more back story while also moving forward at the same time.

Angel and Darla's arc in season 2 was one of my favorites. The way it went, it did not diminish anything that had happened before (With Buffy)

I hope that clarifies a little.

pshand05 · Transforumer Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1233 Location: NY

sockmonkeyhere · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject:

I'm overjoyed that Spike is now a member of the Fang Gang! I wouldn't want him to ever leave them. It took the entire 5th season for him to be accepted by them, and just as that was finally beginning to happen, the series was cancelled! I've been waiting ever since to see him begin his adventures with them at last.

If he was removed from the Gang and from the AtS stories and put into another series, I'd be so disappointed that I wouldn't have the heart to read any of the comics anymore. Occasional crossovers just aren't enough connection -- I don't want Spike to merely visit the Fang Gangers. I want him to continue to BE one of them; living where they live, as a member of their family. It's the interaction between these Fang Gang characters -- their bonds and relationships and conversations and teamwork -- that I love. I'd never want to see them all spun off into their own separate universes, away from each other.

Jean-Vic · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject:

I was personally overjoyed when Angel was spun off. He finally got layers and was no longer "Buffy's boyfriend." But that's as far as spin offs go for me. I personally like Spike on Angel. I would quickly trade him for others from the past Wink

but I... scratch that. I would quickly have others back, along with him staying. I don't think it would be right to take him away, anyway. I think we saw in the end of Season 5 that he wants to stay. I mean, he was the first to volunteer to help fight.

As far as Dru goes, she has never really been addressed, but I don't think Spike would really care about her. Cheryl mentioned Angel and Darla. At first, Angel wanted her dead and only when he found she was human did he try to save her. Dru isn't human as far as I know, so I doubt Spike would do anything other than stick one right in her heart. If anyone would have trouble with her, it would be Angel. His guilt over what he/angelus did to her has always been touched on but never explored fully. Perhaps we could have the two sides of the coin. Angel trying to help Dru, and Spike just wanting to kill her. In the end it would probably come to a role reversal. Spike wanting to save her and Angel having to kill her. Just some thoughts.

And as far as I am concerned, Faith and Oz should be ANGEL characters. Faith and Angel have a great dynamic, and Oz is just Oz. What more can be said about Oz?? But, it seems to me that Joss is putting all his apples in one basket and taking every character he possibly can over to Btvs S8. I'm surprised he hasn't taken Angel, Spike, Gunn and Illyria over.
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pshand05 · Transforumer Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1233 Location: NY

DihcarEM · Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: