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COBRA (Vol. 2) #13 Preview/Discussion *SPOILERS*
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Machete Phil wrote:
As for the art… count me on the side that really enjoys Fuso’s work, and thinks that his style is an essential fit for GI Joe: Cobra. I can understand that other fans who are used to seeing a more “mainstream” style are wishing that someone like Atkins or Gallant would support the title instead, but I think this would be a big mistake. And don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the artwork of both Atkins and Gallant over on the other titles. But Cobra is a very different animal than the other titles. It’s generally more dialogue driven, and has the feel of a mature readers style graphic novel format than the other standard, action driven titles. I feel as though a title like Cobra demands a more gritty, impressionistic, and “artsy” style than the other Joe books. In fact, I don’t think it would work half as well without it. And I’m not necessarily saying that it needs Fuso specifically, but at least someone with a similar type of style. And I say this because although I absolutely LOVE Fuso’s work when he is drawing the dialogue or other-wise “slow” scenes (his covers have been great lately, BTW), I totally agree that his work is borderline un-followable whenever he’s trying to draw complex action scenes. Not always, but a lot of the time.

Anyways, my vote is to keep Fuso, with the hope that he can improve on his ability to portray action scenes.

The problem I have with that is Cal did a GREAT job for the three issues he did on COBRA. I was in heaven! Action scenes I could actually follow without having to read over and over. Characters that actually look the way they are supposed to. The digitized stuff was meh, but it sure was refreshing to have the title drawn the way I always wanted it to since COBRA #0. Sadly it was short-lived, but I'm still holding out hope that IDW will make a change for the better.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, but those weren't what i would consider to be "standard" cobra stories by any stretch. much more action oriented due to the tie in with the other titles.

i suppose we could meet halfway on this (compromise... something sadly missing from modern day politics). have you read any issues of that new military comic called "the activity"? (great series, btw... anyone who likes gi joe or the losers would probably really like this title... it's all the military and spec ops, but without any of the silliness or sci-fi) anyways, i was just thinking that the artist from that title would probably be a good fit for cobra. his style is kinda "artsy" and suited for a mature readers, graphic novel-y fan base overall, but he also draws uniforms, weapons, vehicles, and action in a way that would honestly give even atkins and gallant a run for their money (no disrespect intended - i love both atkins and gallant).

maybe check out an issue of this title "the activity" sometime and let me know if you could deal with a style like that artist (i don't know his name) on cobra.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shanecdavis wrote:
Machete Phil wrote:
As for the art… count me on the side that really enjoys Fuso’s work, and thinks that his style is an essential fit for GI Joe: Cobra. I can understand that other fans who are used to seeing a more “mainstream” style are wishing that someone like Atkins or Gallant would support the title instead, but I think this would be a big mistake. And don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the artwork of both Atkins and Gallant over on the other titles. But Cobra is a very different animal than the other titles. It’s generally more dialogue driven, and has the feel of a mature readers style graphic novel format than the other standard, action driven titles. I feel as though a title like Cobra demands a more gritty, impressionistic, and “artsy” style than the other Joe books. In fact, I don’t think it would work half as well without it. And I’m not necessarily saying that it needs Fuso specifically, but at least someone with a similar type of style. And I say this because although I absolutely LOVE Fuso’s work when he is drawing the dialogue or other-wise “slow” scenes (his covers have been great lately, BTW), I totally agree that his work is borderline un-followable whenever he’s trying to draw complex action scenes. Not always, but a lot of the time.

Anyways, my vote is to keep Fuso, with the hope that he can improve on his ability to portray action scenes.

The problem I have with that is Cal did a GREAT job for the three issues he did on COBRA. I was in heaven! Action scenes I could actually follow without having to read over and over. Characters that actually look the way they are supposed to. The digitized stuff was meh, but it sure was refreshing to have the title drawn the way I always wanted it to since COBRA #0. Sadly it was short-lived, but I'm still holding out hope that IDW will make a change for the better.


That's really interesting because I had the opposite reaction to Cal's work. I couldn't tell what was going on at all and that photorealistic style is a big turnoff to me. Nothing seemed to flow well and the characters placement on the page felt awkward. It stopped me from buying Cobra, SE or GI Joe for three months!
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only gripes were that – as others have already said – the action scenes in the beginning go on for WAY too many pages for a writer and artist who aren’t super-talented when it comes to action scenes, and then also that it appears as though Costa is simply dealing with Hawk’s departure from the series by writing Duke almost exactly like Hawk. It doesn’t come off well, considering that Duke has never really behaved like Hawk at any other point in the other reboot titles to date. As much as l loved the way that Costa wrote Hawk, I don’t really want to see him write every Joe leader the exact same way.


Perhaps Costa is emphasizing that the position (inherently), rather than the person filling the role, demands ethical compromises (to "play the game").



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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a great issue. I'm glad the book is back to the style that's made it the talker it is.
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so confused with Viper uniforms. Why are we back to the gas mask types? I thought they were all using the faceplate now? Why do Vipers switch back and forth? Is it preference? That seems to go against the look of the new Cobra which seems to be standardizing everything.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really enjoyed this one! I was nearly as shocked as Erika when I found out who the Joe's new benefactor was. I even audibly gasped then laughed when she shot him. That shows you how good Costa is that he can still get these kind of reactions from me even though I've been reading his stuff for years.

As for the art, I'm always on the fence about it. On one hand, it kinda works when the characters are just standing around. However his actions scenes are hard to follow and sometimes just don't make any sense. The other gripe I have with Fuso is the way his characters are proportioned. The women are super skinny. There's also the overly angular look to both male and female characters. These things are in contrast to the book's darker, slightly more realistic take on the Joe-verse.

Personally, I'd be up for a blend of stylized yet realistic look. I'm thinking of something similiar to Michael Gaydos' work on the Alias comic series.

Like to give props to this ish and the latest Snake-Eyes book for re-igniting my love for the Joe franchise. Between the disappointing direction of the main book and the delay of the movie, I was seriously starting to lose interest in all things Joe related.

Oh and thianks for the recommendation about the Activity series, Machete Phil. I'll definitely check that out.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maczero wrote:

Oh and thianks for the recommendation about the Activity series, Machete Phil. I'll definitely check that out.


Yeah that was cool. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RG1701 wrote:
I'm so confused with Viper uniforms. Why are we back to the gas mask types?

I think the mask indicates who their superior is - CC's Vipers are the glass mask ones, while Baroness commands the gas mask ones.

Alternatively, they're divisional - the Glass mask ones are bodyguards, the gas mask ones are operational.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Costa's cobra is my second favorite joe book right behind hama's arah. I am not too great a fan of mr. Dixon's contributions. I've tried to enjoy his issues but I just tend to get bored. I will keep buying them, however, so I can keep up between issues of cobra. I really think this revamp would work better if the characters stayed true to their namesakes. As it is now, the code names are the only way to recognize these guys. Sure, update them but let some of the personality they once had make its way into the book. Transformers updates the characters and their shared universe. Prowl might be rebooted but his classic personality remains. Maybe we need costa on all three books! I think it's a shame that cobra doesn't sell as well as the others. I look forward to every issue. And I'd love to see more cobras refashioned like scrap iron or the dreadnoks. I'm pulling for all joe titles, except maybe snake-eyes, buy I want arah and cobra to inch up the charts like the transformers recently accomplished. And even though I hate the green shirts I would enjoy toys released after 2000 to be utilized. Hey, it's better than chuck's made up cast. Anywho, we need more promotion for all the joe titles. I bet there's a lot of comic readers that don't even realize joe is back.
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