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Cattleprod · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject:

Predacon leader Razorclaw took a lot of damage back in ongoing #13 and his fate was unclear until he showed up in RID #1. I can't recall any Stunticons getting killed, but Brawl of the Combaticons was last seen in a coma.
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The Rev · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject:

Aw .. found it in Bludgeopedia.

The technobots that bit it ... Lightspeed and Nosecone. Both died in the battle of Kimia.

Yeah Cattleprod .. that's what I was thinking of, ol' Razorclaw. Certainly appeared to die, but its up to debate. And Brawl at least taken out of action. Seems like an anti Gestalt conspiracy to me.

Just a little plot hole concerning combiner teams. Didn't Arcee slice the spark out of Brawl and Blast Off on Garus-9? I still remember reading that and fuming at the thought of no Bruticus. Then in comic book fashion, hey we're back! I was pleased at their return, but in the same token it lessens the impact that occured during that scene at Garrus-9, because not only was I lamenting the loss of Bruticus, but I was also awestruck in witnessing Arcee's shear socialpathic brutality. Surely it was meant to be fatal. Arcee only does fatal. Doesn't she?
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Cattleprod · Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject:

Brawl and Blast-Off appeared in the background of the Furman-penned Spotlight: Sideswipe, long before it was necessary to confirm Brawl was alive so he could appear in the ongoing.
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Snake Pliskin-o-bot · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:07 am Post subject:

The Rev · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:29 am Post subject:

Well then ... I do believe I've had my ass handed to me.

And I must confess ... it is a nice ass. Very Happy

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ultramagnus1 · Transforumer Joined: 12 Feb 2011 Posts: 8226

Anyone can potentially return. If you thin k of all the hammerings both Prime and Megs took in the past based on their stories in CT they still were able to return so technically anyone can return.

One of the most memorable TF comic book deaths was Shockwave in Legacy Of Unicron when Deaths Head destroyed him but removed his brain module just in case. That was a definitive death.

I wonder does such thing as a neural cluster exist in IDW TFs. According to Deaths Head in Wanted Galvatron it was the weakest point on all TFs. Readers wanted to know where it was and it turned out it was at the neck.

Just wondering....
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Snake Pliskin-o-bot · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:38 am Post subject:

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A writer could easily bring Lightspeed and Nosecone back, I reckon. Find them floating in space, having survived due to being so close to the epicentre of the blast that they effectively disappeared down a temporary wormhole, or something like that.

I agree that some of the reactions to TFs taking damage seem odd. I remember when Guzzle was ripped apart at the start of LSotW#5, and then used to smash Kup in the head. Everyone seemed to be saying: "Well, that's it for Guzzle, and wow, maybe even Kup is dead!" While I was thinking: "There's no way Kup's dead and surely a decent chance that Guzzle will still be able to crawl around with no legs."

I guess the rule I'm going by is: head/brain module destroyed = dead. Spark crushed/destroyed = dead. Anything else, however extreme = temporary deactivation. Hewn limbs = inconvenience. Shot to the chest = temporary blackout.
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Urzu Six · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject:

Prowl got melted from the inside by a Constructicon, so that's almost consistant from cartoon perspective. And if you watch the old series before the Movie, Brawn consistantly legs it whenever a gun mode Megatron is pointed anywhere near him.

I don't recall off the top of my head if gun mode Megs had actually hit anyone before the move...

Ironhide had his head blewed up... so that makes Ratchet the only one who shouldn't have died from his wounds, right?
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Kirjava · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject:

We twist ourselves in knots for the continuity, but we all know it came down to this: Old Toys Out, New Toys In. So it doesn't matter whether it made sense or not, Prowl, Brawl, Ironhide and Ratchet got done over in canon. They be dead. Let's not go making too much of a big deal over it when we have so many other canons to pick over like hungry crows.
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cashel · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject:

I agree. But consistency is a good thing. And it seems our new creative teams are working to "correct" some of the past missteps without being bogged down by them. Ahm bothered me the most with calling old characters new and basically ignoring the great stuff that had preceded it. But it was still a fun easy read. But I'll take the current additions to the mythology over anything that has come before.
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cashel · Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject:

I agree. But consistency is a good thing. And it seems our new creative teams are working to "correct" some of the past missteps without being bogged down by them. Ahm bothered me the most with calling old characters new and basically ignoring the great stuff that had preceded it. But it was still a fun easy read. But I'll take the current additions to the mythology over anything that has come before.
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ultramagnus1 · Transforumer Joined: 12 Feb 2011 Posts: 8226

Consistency is a good thing in characters and situations.

I think RiD is going very well so far as is MTMTE. I also think events in Autocracy will have repercussions in the modern story. Particularly regarding Orion Pax but thats just a feeling and isnt based on anything more then that. Very Happy

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Soundwave · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: