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Numero99
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 Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: Snake Eyes #10 Preview/Discussion *SPOILERS* |
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Snake Eyes Ongoing #10
Chuck Dixon (w) • Alex Cal (a) • Dave Wilkins, Robert Atkins (c)
Synopsis:
COBRA COMMAND CONTINUES! The new Cobra Commander’s war of conquest turns to a war of destruction. COBRA troops are forcing an entire populace to become refugees while eliminating any who dare stay behind. Snake Eyes is now in the killing fields, playing his own game of predator and prey with Stormshadow and the red ninjas of the Arashikage clan!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
*Variant covers:
Vertically inter-connected variant Tom Whalen cover!
Bullet points:
• PART 5 of the G.I. JOE crossover, “COBRA COMMAND”!
• A rolling nine-issue crossover between all three ongoing G.I. JOE titles, all with the same art team!
• Ask your retailer about the special vertically inter-connected Tom Whalen variant covers on all three titles!
For a 8 pg preview: http://www.freakinawesomenetwork.com/2012/02/snakeeyes10/
EDIT: Corrected covers and added solicit - Shane[/b]
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Veritas
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:09 am Post subject: |
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From the preview:
| Quote: | | “Ever notice how Snake Eyes’ personal life can always be defined as a vital mission?” |
ROFLMA... but so, so true. I'm looking forward to this one, and voted for the RI cover though I've no hope of getting my hands on it because I love the retro style. If I had to choose between A and B, it would be a tough, tough call - both are fabulous artistic treatments of Storm Shadow, but I think B has more drama to it.
Loving the flashback in this issue, which touches on the "how realistic should G.I. Joe be" thread; flashbacks are a defining symptom of PTSD. I've been working on a picture book for the children of our returning vets about dealing with a parent's PTSD, and so have been reading up on it... and it's a truly horrific thing. I can't imagine having to deal with an invisible enemy who attacks your mind. Mental guerrilla warfare. At least we're finally coming to accept it, and bringing it out of the closet... veterans of WWI, coming home to heal from "shell shock" (what they called it back then) and physical injuries, were accused of "malingering" if they were slow to return to the front. Strangers on the street would berate them, people would pin chicken feathers to their coats annonymously and send them hate mail...
In that light, I'm really going to resent it if, as the sidebar on the preview page indicates, people (both readers and characters) start treating Snake Eyes as though he's losing his grip on reality. He's a deeply wounded character who may very well need some serious treatment... though, being who he is, counseling would likely not be an easy thing to manage, and he'd likely resist it aggressively. And it may be true that, if we treat it realistically, he shouldn't be in the field leading a mission. Something will need to snap eventually, since he's NOT superhuman and he doesn't seem to have the support structure in place that allows real soldiers to hang in there as long as they do. He's got Scarlett, but he's been largely an emotional robot as far as she's concerned, with a few flickers of human in there; he's got Helix, but she's an enabler - from the look of things in the preview, she seems to back him up unquestioningly, following him even when he doesn't ask her to, defending him against the very legit concerns of the rest of Foxtrot. Looking ahead in the monthly solicitations, I can see no good coming from this situation, and a shake-up for Snake Eyes. But outside of these two - he's got no real friends, no real refuge from his past. And one friend thousands of miles away and one in the killing fields with you won't do much good against flashbacks. So... yes, he may be broken and unreliable and making BAD choices - but he hasn't lost his grip on reality.
PTSD has far more in common with physical illness than it does with mental illness, but because it technically is a mental illness, it has a stigma. People are afrad to talk about it, afraid to admit that they have it - they see it as a weakness. Of course, that's how we (collectively) treat ALL mental illness in our society, unfortunately... people still accuse people with chronic fatigue syndrome of "faking it;" people with panic/anxiety disorder (a baby cousin of PTSD) are usually so shamed and confused that they don't seek help on their own; people with depression are expected to just be able to "snap out of it" if they're taking meds and in counseling. Nobody tells a diabetic that he should be able to "eat normal" because he knows his disease and has the right meds; it's a long, hard road to being able to manage it. Having an invisible disease with few symptoms the public can witness... it's a miserable thing.
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WOW! I love all of these covers. I voted for the RI... though I won't get it because it is so much more expensive...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd prefer not to see realistic PTSD in my GIJOE, however, I would rather see it with another character besides Snake Eyes. Of course, a PTSD Snake Eyes is still much better than zombie resurrected Snake Eyes, imho. |
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Veritas
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| Eagleyes wrote: | | I'd prefer not to see realistic PTSD in my GIJOE, however, I would rather see it with another character besides Snake Eyes. Of course, a PTSD Snake Eyes is still much better than zombie resurrected Snake Eyes, imho. |
Hmmm. Character wise, I'm having a hard time distinguishing this Snake Eyes from a zombie; he seems to have only two modes: full out combat and reclusive loner.
I didn't mean to imply that I think Snake Eyes has or should have full-blown PTSD, only that the flashbacks are an accurate portrayal of a combat soldier under extreme stress, and I appreciate that touch of realism that makes Snake Eyes less of a superhero archetype. I like my characters realistically 3dimensional, and tend to "geek out" on characterization ... hence my tendency to ramble about it when I hit a topic I like. Sorry if I go overboard sometimes. It's just my "thing," like you fellas like your battle sequences and accurate portrayal of favored collectibles. 
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| Eagleyes wrote: | | I'd prefer not to see realistic PTSD in my GIJOE, however, I would rather see it with another character besides Snake Eyes. Of course, a PTSD Snake Eyes is still much better than zombie resurrected Snake Eyes, imho. |
Hmmm. Character wise, I'm having a hard time distinguishing this Snake Eyes from a zombie; he seems to have only two modes: full out combat and reclusive loner.
I didn't mean to imply that I think Snake Eyes has or should have full-blown PTSD, only that the flashbacks are an accurate portrayal of a combat soldier under extreme stress, and I appreciate that touch of realism that makes Snake Eyes less of a superhero archetype. I like my characters realistically 3dimensional, and tend to "geek out" on characterization ... hence my tendency to ramble about it when I hit a topic I like. Sorry if I go overboard sometimes. It's just my "thing," like you fellas like your battle sequences and accurate portrayal of favored collectibles.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| so Helix can now outsmart/outmove araishkage red ninjas? |
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I described Helix to and friend and they said... so kind of like Sherlock Holmes, a functional Autistic able to super observe and evaluate a situation both physical and mental. I dunno but she is still kind of annoying to me...
I really liked this issue. There is a lot of action, but the best part to me is the end where SS and CC are having their discussion.
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| I agree. It seems as if the reboot is having Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes as "brothers" connected in some way. And it looks as if Storm Shadow could be Cobra Commander's bodyguard. And it definitely has Storm Shadow with a grudge against Zartan for killing is mentor. I like the similarities to the old continuity, yet with twists in the new one. And maybe if I think of Helix as Sherlock Holmes it makes me accept her better. |
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My comic shop didn't get this one for me
Either. Comics just don't make business, anymore
Which is a shame. I wish I could comment but from what I've heard, the PTSD is a real threat and I would enjoy seeing it explored. I am tiring of snake's super heroics and it would be nice to see him as the "failure" of the combat mission. I have PTSD, as well and it can't be put into words. It makes the everyday activities extremely difficult. Unless you have it, there is no explaining it. I look forward to this issue. I'd like Hama to employ some of this in the rah canon. Se is a most tragic Figueroa and should be portrayed as such. I look for
Ward to this issue!
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i thought this was another great issue in what is turning out to be one of my favorite gi joe story arcs of all time.
glad we're finally getting to see more about what happened in this mysterious rangoon snafu, and finally getting to see the connection between se and ss.
continue to think it's a great idea for se to have a supporting cast to make things more interesting. however, i am hoping that se isn't forever bound to only pairing up with team foxtrot. alpine and iceberg made sense in the first se arc, but i'm not head over heels interested in seeing them "out of their element".
and speaking of out of their element... why was iceberg flying a helicopter? is flying a helicopter easier to do than i would imagine? is iceberg a specialist in both arctic climates AND flying helicopters? or is the reboot universe taking the sunbow route where everyone on the team knows how to fly jets, helicopters, etc? we've already seen scarlett flying a helicopter, and now iceberg. who's next? ape-face?
anyways, that was my only potential issue with this... er, issue. other than that, i am really enjoying cobra command so far.
still liking the artwork, but not nearly as much as when alex cal is doing the full duties, and not just the breakdowns.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Eagleyes wrote: | | so Helix can now outsmart/outmove araishkage red ninjas? |
To be fair, that's what Helix does. She reads body language and anticipates the moves of her opponents. Not to mention she has guns. If you wanna gripe about something, I'd say complain about how Norwegian soldiers carrying fully automatic weapons didn't manage to drop a single red ninja.
Other than the ninja vs. soldier nitpick, I really did enjoy this. The art was great. The action scenes were pretty good. The dialogue was good as well.
I'm also interested if Storm Shadow will actually dispatch Zartan. I'd be okay with it if it did happen.
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| Why couldn't Chuckles have killed Helix undercover and Jinx be Snake Eyes partner? |
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