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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another fantastic issue, guys! Of course, loved the Rookie shout-out!

(So his name is "Whatshisface"? What is that, Scandinavian? Razz)

Being that the conversation is on the Rookie(s) at the moment, I feel obligated to have some input: I prefer The Rookie to NOT have a name. I don't care so much about the stylized versions, but THE Rookie is my fave. Takes away from some of the mystery around him, not to mention the ability to make vague-but-not-really references to him (ex. Whatshisface), and I feel it takes away from his identity a bit. I personally feel that his nickname and "real" name are one in the same at this point because everyone calls him Rookie whether they know his real name or not.

(I know the feeling. I resemble the Rookie and actively cosplay as him, so I'm known as Rookie and called such by most of the GB franchises in the Southeastern US!)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Rookie wrote:
Another fantastic issue, guys! Of course, loved the Rookie shout-out!

(So his name is "Whatshisface"? What is that, Scandinavian? Razz)

Being that the conversation is on the Rookie(s) at the moment, I feel obligated to have some input: I prefer The Rookie to NOT have a name. I don't care so much about the stylized versions, but THE Rookie is my fave. Takes away from some of the mystery around him, not to mention the ability to make vague-but-not-really references to him (ex. Whatshisface), and I feel it takes away from his identity a bit. I personally feel that his nickname and "real" name are one in the same at this point because everyone calls him Rookie whether they know his real name or not.

(I know the feeling. I resemble the Rookie and actively cosplay as him, so I'm known as Rookie and called such by most of the GB franchises in the Southeastern US!)


So what happens when we decide to bring him into the action...? Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Rookie wrote:
Takes away from some of the mystery around him, not to mention the ability to make vague-but-not-really references to him (ex. Whatshisface), and I feel it takes away from his identity a bit. I personally feel that his nickname and "real" name are one in the same at this point because everyone calls him Rookie whether they know his real name or not.
I understand where you're coming from, but one of the things that irked me are never knowing the names of certain characters and entities from The Real Ghostbusters so to me the more names, the better.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Rookie wrote:
Another fantastic issue, guys! Of course, loved the Rookie shout-out!

(So his name is "Whatshisface"? What is that, Scandinavian? Razz)

Being that the conversation is on the Rookie(s) at the moment, I feel obligated to have some input: I prefer The Rookie to NOT have a name. I don't care so much about the stylized versions, but THE Rookie is my fave. Takes away from some of the mystery around him, not to mention the ability to make vague-but-not-really references to him (ex. Whatshisface), and I feel it takes away from his identity a bit. I personally feel that his nickname and "real" name are one in the same at this point because everyone calls him Rookie whether they know his real name or not.

(I know the feeling. I resemble the Rookie and actively cosplay as him, so I'm known as Rookie and called such by most of the GB franchises in the Southeastern US!)


So what happens when we decide to bring him into the action...? Wink


I think I might be picking up what you are laying down, sir.

Have people call him "Rookie", "Rook", "The Kid", etc. He doesn't need a proper name for people to know who you're talking about.

mrmichaelt wrote:
I understand where you're coming from, but one of the things that irked me are never knowing the names of certain characters and entities from The Real Ghostbusters so to me the more names, the better.


That's different, I think. Like I said, even though he wasn't given a "real" name, we know who you're referring to when you say "The Rookie."

(Besides, what if Rookie IS his name? It could happen...)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-Rex Jones wrote:

So what happens when we decide to bring him into the action...? Wink


I know you won't spoil anything, but I might as well ask anyways: How are you guys going to deal with making each of the 3 different versions of the Rookie an individual character?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Rookie wrote:


I think I might be picking up what you are laying down, sir.

Have people call him "Rookie", "Rook", "The Kid", etc. He doesn't need a proper name for people to know who you're talking about.


That works fine for what Erik's doing, and if I were writing any kind of story, I'd probably do the same thing, but this is what I'm doing and calling someone "Rookie", "Rook", or "The Kid", doesn't exactly gel with City Hall. 'S all about the red tape.

Tothenines wrote:

I know you won't spoil anything, but I might as well ask anyways: How are you guys going to deal with making each of the 3 different versions of the Rookie an individual character?


I've already done it...

But seriously, outside of the nods we've done, I don't think there are any sort of plans to incorporate them yet. I can't and won't speak for Erik, but I put what I can in there to give you guys some continuity to it all -- nods to let you know where things fit in the comic timeline and such.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-Rex Jones wrote:
The Rookie wrote:


I think I might be picking up what you are laying down, sir.

Have people call him "Rookie", "Rook", "The Kid", etc. He doesn't need a proper name for people to know who you're talking about.


That works fine for what Erik's doing, and if I were writing any kind of story, I'd probably do the same thing, but this is what I'm doing and calling someone "Rookie", "Rook", or "The Kid", doesn't exactly gel with City Hall. 'S all about the red tape.


That does make sense. Personally, I would have a way to both satisfy the need for City Hall to have his name or record and still keep it hidden from the readers like... Have a coffee stain cover his name when it's in the back of the book? Or have the ink on the paper smear or get wet or something. It could happen, right? I mean, if Venkman has access to the papers and can make his own... Uh... "annotations" then what's to say he's actually careful with them at all? I'm sure City Hall would already have the Rookie's name on file Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear ya, mate, but then I've gotta answer to all the emails asking about his real name and what it says under said blotch/stain/scribble! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-Rex Jones wrote:
I hear ya, mate, but then I've gotta answer to all the emails asking about his real name and what it says under said blotch/stain/scribble! Wink


... don't answer them?
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mrmichaelt wrote:

3. So the EGB Proton Pack Winston wore was something else like how the Proton Grenade was modeled after the Ghost Bomb?


I as well really want to know what the name of this is. Is it going to be name dropped later?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-Rex Jones wrote:


Maddie Collins:
Chad Fuller:
Bryan Welsh:

Fixing a image link to Bryan Welsh. Carry on.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tothenines wrote:
I'd say he's been dead since issue #1 and Idulnas was just using his body.
I was angling there's the chance Silver's soul is lost on the other side. Considering how Idulnas' form slowly overwrote Silver's body. Plus that one shot from #2 at the Empire State Building where Silver is possessed but still human in appearance and Idulnas in his reflection. Either way, things don't look good for Silver.

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I as well really want to know what the name of this is. Is it going to be name dropped later?
The interesting thing while the Proton Grenade is unchanged in design from the Ghost Bomb, Winston's pack is a conglomerate of EGB equipment; the pack is the Extreme Ghostbusters version and the thrower looks more like Egon's Field Projector from "Killjoys" but with a Proton Cannister attached.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The holidays and a bout of sheer laziness slowed me down, but here goes:

Fritz Babbles About Ghostbusters #4:

Things I Liked About Ghostbusters #4:

I gotta admit, I was a little skeptical about bringing Walter Peck into things here. I saw it as one more way IDW going to overuse stuff from the first movie. But they've convinced me--he's great as not so much a villain, but as a foil: kind of serving as the Ghostbusters' asshole boss role, one we've never really seen before in GB lore. (Yeah, I guess it probably continues his role from the Video Game, but I've never played that. I'm not a gamer). It's especially funny watching Venkman deal with it; since his previous comedic foil, Slimer, is stuck in a fishtank, we gotta see him get comedically frustrated somehow. He can't mouth off to Peck too much, and certainly can't blast him and put him in a ghost trap. Even better, on the other hand, Janine gets to treat Peck with same respect she gives her "real" boss, Venkman, which is not much at all. No wonder Egon loves that gal so much.

The injokes are sparse this issue, but has one of my favorites yet: Peck's office is adorned with newspapers telling of his days with "BUFO", which is assumed to be the Bureau of Unidentified Flying Organisms, a reference to the agency Peck worked for in his one (sadly lackluster) animated appearance, "Big Trouble With Little Slimer". All that was missing was one of the fast dial buttons on his phone to read "Callahan" (Peck's laconic henchman in that episode).

Idulnas, for a character grounded in a mythos that has been waaaaay overused lately, at least represents some new twists, creepily writing himself into existence.

Venkman: "Is it me, or is [Egon] getting a little snippy?"

The fact that Janine is getting Rogered on her days off is really getting to him. That's my story and I'm sticking to it no matter what Erik Burnham or anyone else says. Razz

Things I Didn't Like So Much About Ghostbusters #4:

For all the success IDW has with the Idulnas story, please, for grife's sake, stay the sprock away from the Gozerian mythos for a while. One of the things GB2, for all of it's flaws, did right is have an enemy that didn't have a blessed thing to do with Gozer (Assinine Video Game retcon attempt ignored). It was a directive from J. Micheal Stracynski to the writers of The Real Ghostbusters to "forget about Gozer. He's history". But in recent years, suddenly everything has to somehow go back to Gozer: their enemies are Gozer's father, or his concubine, or Gozer worshippers. With all the mythology that the property can, and has, drawn upon even before making stuff up (Gozer, after all, does not appear in any real summations of Sumerian mythology) the constant dipping into this till feels uncreative and overdone. Quit now before IDW ends up like the Marvel UK comics and suddenly Gozer has a lumberjack relative named Horg. (Yeah, I wish I was kidding about that...) I realize Idulnas's return is practically inevitable, but hold off on it for a while, please.

I will also register a note of dissent to the prevailing opinion of "Whoa! You're gonna put in the Rookies from both version of the Video Game! Cool!" I won't say it's a bad idea; I'm going to wait and see what happens, but on the whole, stories that start with "Ray, Egon, Peter, Winston, and some character you've never heard of before get out of the ECTO-1" is the start of very many of the worst fan fictions.

Now, I will say I'll give IDW some rope on this one. I liked Extreme Ghostbusters, after all, and want to see if IDW can take these three ciphers and actually make them worth the affection they get despite not having any discernable personalities or even a word of dialog. But one word of warning: I enjoyed EGB because it really was about the new characters; the old guard guest starred to various extents, but it was the new guys' show. (The fact that RGB had been off the air for six years helped too). Throwing in a bunch of new faces into a currently running project when you already feature a perfect mix of four main characters and two strong supporting characters poses its own dangers. If I read a story with them in it and my new nicknames for the Rookies are "Jason", "Catharine", and "Donald", you'll know exactly what that means.

But IDW hasn't let me down in awhile, so I'm hopeful.

See you next month.
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I can say I've said about all I have to about Gozer or Mr. Stay Puft (unless I come up with a brilliant idea. Or I'm instructed to come up with one.) (;

But I may return to Idulnas one day...

And rest assured, when #5 opens, you'll see no Goze.

There will, however, be clowns.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There will, however, be clowns.


*shudders* oooh clowns give me the creeps. They creep me out more than they creep out Cosmo Kramer Shocked Embarassed Embarassed
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