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KJ
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| Bass X0 wrote: | | JazZeke wrote: | | Sprite wrote: | | I thought Hunter's death fitted the story. The right emotional shock at the right time. I hate the fact that he died, but I liked how it was done. I don't believe for a second that Shane put it in to flip the finger at Simon (why would he?) or the fans - I mean, come on! The guy's a professional writer. Projecting such feelings on to him is projecting your own pettiness, srsly. You can say the speculation "fits the pattern", but if that pattern in itself is a fan-created myth (and there have been a couple of those floating around), it's still wrong. And nasty. And wrong. |
Really? How did it benefit the story, in your mind? The last scene in the final page, killed off by none other than the very same character who went off in a rant about how the Autobots supposedly needed to place more value on life two issues before. |
But Hunter wasn't in any stable physical condition. Look at how he was. You could say that Shane didn't have to F Hunter up that badly but in retrospect for Sideswipe to have done anything else, it would have just been cruel. There was no way Hunter could have recovered from his condition. |
My problem with it is that Sideswipe is simply not qualified to make that decision. And why did it have to happen THAT instant? It's not like they didn't have time to perform any sort of evaluation of him!
Had it been Ratchet, I could have at least mildly accepted it.
As it was, it was a criminal act.
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KJ
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Denton J. Tipton wrote: | Okay. I'm ending this here. We're not here to speculate about intent. We're here to discuss the work.
Do not refer to creators or anyone else here as "classless" or "stupid." How many times do we have to say "don't get personal"?
Cattleprod and Detour84, consider this your last warning. We know you don't like Drift or Shane's work. Move along. |
Then that statement also needs to be applied to Milne.
Denton, do you think it is acceptable for Milne to kill off certain characters as fodder, because a friend of his has a dislike for another person who really likes that character?
EDIT: And please, can we stop with the 'Last Warning' stuff?
It's ominous, and something that you use often, but only when it comes to Drift or McCarthy.
Asking people to simply tone it down, or to ensure they phrase their posts so they can't be interpreted as a personal attack, it far more appropriate.
Last thing this board needs is another return to the draconian dark age the board had the first time, with the overly heavy-handed silencing of anyone with criticism. That already lead to most of the good original posters leaving.
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DanielW
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| KJ wrote: | | Denton J. Tipton wrote: | Okay. I'm ending this here. We're not here to speculate about intent. We're here to discuss the work.
Do not refer to creators or anyone else here as "classless" or "stupid." How many times do we have to say "don't get personal"?
Cattleprod and Detour84, consider this your last warning. We know you don't like Drift or Shane's work. Move along. |
Then that statement also needs to be applied to Milne.
Denton, do you think it is acceptable for Milne to kill off certain characters as fodder, because a friend of his has a dislike for another person who really likes that character? |
How dead is dead?
What is dead in Transformers?
We've had in the past few years of storytelling less then a dozen 'deaths' that have been confirmed as being deaths. Yet at the same time we've seen tonnes of 'deaths'. And as was pointed out upthread - Screamer got everything except his head, arms and legs blown into next week. By someone who wasn't pulling any punches. At close range.
"If he survives..."
Death is more like a trip to Bognor then it is permanent in the Transformers universe. |
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Brian Mays
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| DanielW wrote: |
How dead is dead?
What is dead in Transformers?
We've had in the past few years of storytelling less then a dozen 'deaths' that have been confirmed as being deaths. Yet at the same time we've seen tonnes of 'deaths'. And as was pointed out upthread - Screamer got everything except his head, arms and legs blown into next week. By someone who wasn't pulling any punches. At close range.
"If he survives..."
Death is more like a trip to Bognor then it is permanent in the Transformers universe. |
The "Optimus vs. Almighty" post makes a great point about death in Transformers. Ol' Op has been resurrected 12 times 
Even if dead was dead, there are still plenty of stories that can be told. How many times have we seen stories set in the past? Could happen again. The "deaths" we see here may only be the ending of a story not yet told. Who knows, someone here may be the one to tell those stories. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| KJ wrote: | please, can we stop with the 'Last Warning' stuff?
It's ominous, and something that you use often, but only when it comes to Drift or McCarthy. |
But is that because only Drift / McCarthy get the forum this fired up? I agree there seems to be a correlation between modhammering and the discussion of Shane's creative work particularly. But let's not put the cart before the horse, sort of thing. Maybe Denton only has to step in when we're talking about everyone's favourite new Autobot
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Well, I think he totally has to do something about all those LSOTW flame wars we keep having, is all I'm sayin'. 
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Sprite wrote: | | Well, I think he totally has to do something about all those LSOTW flame wars we keep having, is all I'm sayin'. |
God, yes, all those people agreeing with each other a lot and whooping. It's like trying to sleep while people are having sex in the room upstairs
/presents ModBroom, for hammering on the ceiling below LSOTW threads
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I know, right? I can't believe the forum doesn't just collapse with all that joy and happiness! To say nothing of trouser shards flying everywhere! 
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Denton J. Tipton
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| KJ wrote: | | Denton J. Tipton wrote: | Okay. I'm ending this here. We're not here to speculate about intent. We're here to discuss the work.
Do not refer to creators or anyone else here as "classless" or "stupid." How many times do we have to say "don't get personal"?
Cattleprod and Detour84, consider this your last warning. We know you don't like Drift or Shane's work. Move along. |
Then that statement also needs to be applied to Milne.
Denton, do you think it is acceptable for Milne to kill off certain characters as fodder, because a friend of his has a dislike for another person who really likes that character?
EDIT: And please, can we stop with the 'Last Warning' stuff?
It's ominous, and something that you use often, but only when it comes to Drift or McCarthy.
Asking people to simply tone it down, or to ensure they phrase their posts so they can't be interpreted as a personal attack, it far more appropriate.
Last thing this board needs is another return to the draconian dark age the board had the first time, with the overly heavy-handed silencing of anyone with criticism. That already lead to most of the good original posters leaving. |
KJ, Danforth has nailed it on the head. But I want to address you directly.
I have no control over what Milne says (outside of this forum). Just like he doesn't have any control over what characters live or die. For the record: All those characters are generics. This wouldn't even be an issue if it weren't for the fascination with "canon."
I'll mod this forum how I see fit. I've received multiple complaints about both posters, and I'm tired of having to take time out of my busy day to come and deal with this nonsense. Myself and others have asked MULTIPLE times for people to tone it down. No more.
And I've said multiple times that criticism is welcomed. No one here that plays by the rules have been "silenced." I don't appreciate what you're insinuating and keeping that lie alive. That's exactly what's wrong with this board: People claiming their opinions as unimpeachable fact.
If everyone here respected everyone else as much as they do themselves, we could actually have a good time.
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sol magnus
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| Denton J. Tipton wrote: | That's exactly what's wrong with this board: People claiming their opinions as unimpeachable fact.
If everyone here respected everyone else as much as they do themselves, we could actually have a good time. |
That's the most beautiful thing in the entire universe! Ok, pass me the bomb.
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Overused line is overused. 
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sol magnus
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| Urzu Seven wrote: | | Overused line is overused. |
Okay, lets switch it up.
Yes Kup, I know.
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Yes Kup, I know. |
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Andy Schmidt
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Was Sky Lynx in this issue? Man, I really need to watch what Denton is doing in this series...
Thanks for toning it back down, guys. That's much appreciated. Lately, I've been seeing a lot more upbeat posts on the board and I've really been enjoying being on the board more myself. And upbeat doesn't mean "loves everything published," just criticism is couched in a respectful and well-meaning way.
It's been good times lately! Let's keep 'em going!
Andy
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