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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Spock: Reflections #2 Discussion Thread Reply with quote

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Pretty solid issue, in my view. Nothing really groundbreaking occurred but the moment with Christine Chapel during the TMP era was nice. And it was cool seeing Captain Pike along with Jose Tyler aboard the old Enterprise.

I'm a little confused by the last page. Spock receives a communique and tells the Saurian, "An old friend, whom all had believed dead, has returned". Spock then relates that the message informed him of this person's passing. Could this person be Scotty? Remember, he was caught in a transporter buffer for I believe 70 years or so. Everyone thought he was lost until the Enterprise-D crew rescued him. We've got a bit of a mystery here....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Spock: Reflections #2 Discussion Thread Reply with quote

Ro-Dan wrote:
I'm a little confused by the last page. Spock receives a communique and tells the Saurian, "An old friend, whom all had believed dead, has returned". Spock then relates that the message informed him of this person's passing. Could this person be Scotty? Remember, he was caught in a transporter buffer for I believe 70 years or so. Everyone thought he was lost until the Enterprise-D crew rescued him. We've got a bit of a mystery here....


I think it's a safe bet to say it is definitely talking about Kirk, particularly since the message not only informed him of the reappearance but also of the person's passing. I hate to put it in such terms, but the logical scenario would indicate Kirk as he was the closest to Spock in the original crew, closely followed by McCoy.

I'm not sure about the terms of the license IDW has regarding Star Trek, but I recall an interview with Peter David when Imzadi was published that one of the rules was a main character could not be killed. Obviously, this happened in another (*cough*theworst*cough*) Peter David book with the death of Janeway, but Kirk is the only original series character who is canonically dead. Furthermore, it ties in with the flashback to the Enterprise-B in the first issue.

I really enjoyed the rendition of the Motion Picture-era Enterprise, but just one nitpick... they got the corridors wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it could be Kirk. When Kirk died, Spock was a bit younger and still had his black hair. However, in the scene when Spock is informed of his friend's death, he is older and grey haired.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the same respect, however, Scotty reappearance preceded Kirk's reappearance by a couple years, so it wouldn't make sense for Picard to neglect to inform Spock about it after the character died which, if we go by the art and general time frame assumptions by it, would be informing Spock of Scotty's reappearance several years after the fact.

However, when you think of Spock, you don't think of Scotty but you do think of Kirk and their relationship would have been as legendary as the real Shatner and Nimoy friendship is. I think the art aspect could be up to interpretation as this wouldn't be the first time that the colouring wasn't 100% perfect. Besides, we have no idea how much running the Unification movement could age Spock in such a short amount of time.

As such, I remain convinced that the communique was in regards to Kirk. We'll find out either way over the next couple months.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you allow the Stardate in Issue One to have a typo of one digit, Spock: Reflections 1 and 2 would be taking place at the time of Kirk's death in Star Trek: Generations.

Generations Stardate 48632.4 to 48650.1
Spock Reflections #1 Stardate 49632.7
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, first off...they were definitely talking about Kirk in that last page Razz The whole thing with the person who was thought to be dead all of sudden and coming back and then also just died, it's definitely Kirk.

Spock having grey hair I believe was just the colorist "making a mistake"

I enoyed this issue a lot more than the first one. The small TMP scene was very nice (though they have Enterprise-A graphics in the turbolift, oops!Razz) and I very much enjoyed the last scene.

The Pike scenes were ok, but we really have seen the "Pike teaching Spock about human nature" type of scene a lot.

Still a fun issue though.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, first off...they were definitely talking about Kirk in that last page Razz The whole thing with the person who was thought to be dead all of sudden and coming back and then also just died, it's definitely Kirk.
Okay...but Spock had already gone through his mourning scene with Captain Harriman aboard the Enterprise-B back in issue #1. And the event of Kirk's death from Generations happened just one year after Star Trek VI. When Spock gets word of a friend's death, this is much later.

WAIT! I get it. So, you guys are saying this is referring not to Kirk's "death" aboard the Enterprise-B, but his true death on Viridian III--78 years later. Ah-ha! That sucks for Spock because now he has to mourn twice for the death of his friend.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ro-Dan wrote:


WAIT! I get it. So, you guys are saying this is referring not to Kirk's "death" aboard the Enterprise-B, but his true death on Viridian III--78 years later. Ah-ha! That sucks for Spock because now he has to mourn twice for the death of his friend.


exactly, cause the message is from Picard. That scene happened sometime after "Generations" Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Picked this up today along with issues 3 and 4. It's not a bad read, though we don't really have a plot so much as a series of vignettes from Spock's past. That being said, it's good to see glimpses of the TMP time frame as well as Spock's time serving under Pike. The likenesses aren't as precise as I would like, but the art tells the story well enough. And I thought the reference at the end had to be Kirk. Spock wouldn't risk crossing the border secretly for just about anyone else.
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