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| Guido Guidi wrote: | | synapse wrote: |
But Guido seems to not like what's come before. EJ Su made a great job with Prowl, Sunstreaker or Hot Rod's alternate modes and he has simply ignored them. Why? Just because he prefers to draw G1/cartoonesque? |
No, I'm just EVIL and do that on purpose.
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Ok man, I know I sounded a little mean or whatever, but I'm really eager to know the reason behind the change in all those designs and the explanation doesn't seem to arrive, that's all...
Sorry if my comment bothered you. Honestly.
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So, just so I understand right;
People complain about Dreamwave, cause the artists were forced to draw a certain way.
And now, people are complaining about IDW because the artists aren't drawing every character EXACTLY the same as other artists.
That about right?
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That's a kinda unfair comparison.
Dreamwave's "House style" was more about following Lee's wacked-out proportions and over-detailing.
Whereas here, we are miffed about story consistency and general continuity in regards to character design.
Substantially less people would be miffed if an actual REASON was given in-story for the change in body designs.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Richter wrote: | So, just so I understand right;
People complain about Dreamwave, cause the artists were forced to draw a certain way.
And now, people are complaining about IDW because the artists aren't drawing every character EXACTLY the same as other artists.
That about right? |
Um... I don't care about the STYLE the artists draw it in.
Just so long as the bodies are the same for consistency's sake.
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| General Tekno wrote: | | Richter wrote: | So, just so I understand right;
People complain about Dreamwave, cause the artists were forced to draw a certain way.
And now, people are complaining about IDW because the artists aren't drawing every character EXACTLY the same as other artists.
That about right? |
Um... I don't care about the STYLE the artists draw it in.
Just so long as the bodies are the same for consistency's sake. |
Thanks. My thoughts exactly.
And I'm not "complaining about IDW", Richter. I've been loving every artist work, style and designs so far and this is the first time I'm upset with that. And you know it. I just expect that consistency Tekno's mentioned. I reckon you had understood my comment. You know you're comparing 2 different things.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| General Tekno wrote: | | Richter wrote: | So, just so I understand right;
People complain about Dreamwave, cause the artists were forced to draw a certain way.
And now, people are complaining about IDW because the artists aren't drawing every character EXACTLY the same as other artists.
That about right? |
Um... I don't care about the STYLE the artists draw it in.
Just so long as the bodies are the same for consistency's sake. |
Ditto. Thunderwing has the best point on that. Style is fine and one thing that'll probably get my goat is the lack of consistency unless we get a plausible in-story explanation for what the heck is with the changes. 
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| Richter wrote: | And now, people are complaining about IDW because the artists aren't drawing every character EXACTLY the same as other artists.
That about right? |
Nope. Style isn't design, and vice versa.
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| lonegamer78 wrote: | | Ditto. Thunderwing has the best point on that. Style is fine and one thing that'll probably get my goat is the lack of consistency unless we get a plausible in-story explanation for what the heck is with the changes. |
| Thunderwing wrote: | That's a kinda unfair comparison.
Dreamwave's "House style" was more about following Lee's wacked-out proportions and over-detailing.
Whereas here, we are miffed about story consistency and general continuity in regards to character design.
Substantially less people would be miffed if an actual REASON was given in-story for the change in body designs. |
| Denyer wrote: | | Nope. Style isn't design, and vice versa. |
Yep, quoted for truth. The three of them
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I guess I'm a minority. I don't care what designs the characters have so long as I can tell who's who and the art is pretty.
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i think for the most part it is a style/design thing that Shane and Guido have done to give their book it's own flavour. Thus Roadbuster, Hot Rod, et al.
Starscream and pals - we've been told there'll be an explanation apparently, but we've got no indication that there will be one for the autobots.
i'm also NOT worried at all. they are all recognisable, there have never been any problems with that and the art is fantastic. On shane's blog he mentions the new twist to roadbuster. There might no be a reason, they just wanted him to be more tankish, actually like a "road-buster", whatever that is.
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| Guido Guidi wrote: | | synapse wrote: |
But Guido seems to not like what's come before. EJ Su made a great job with Prowl, Sunstreaker or Hot Rod's alternate modes and he has simply ignored them. Why? Just because he prefers to draw G1/cartoonesque? |
No, I'm just EVIL and do that on purpose.
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| uz000 wrote: | | Guido Guidi wrote: | | synapse wrote: |
But Guido seems to not like what's come before. EJ Su made a great job with Prowl, Sunstreaker or Hot Rod's alternate modes and he has simply ignored them. Why? Just because he prefers to draw G1/cartoonesque? |
No, I'm just EVIL and do that on purpose.
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Indeed XD Besides, the characters are TRANSFORMERS...if they had the exact same designs all the time, what would be the point of being able to change shape?
*zips her lips now*
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Thanks. My thoughts exactly.
And I'm not "complaining about IDW", Richter. I've been loving every artist work, style and designs so far and this is the first time I'm upset with that. And you know it. I just expect that consistency Tekno's mentioned. I reckon you had understood my comment. You know you're comparing 2 different things.
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Out of all the problems with AHM, the design changes are the ones that irritate me the most. Why is it that all the other artists respect and incorporate each others designs except Guido? It is visually jarring, and a lot of the new designs are, to put it bluntly, inferior to the EJ versions. Why is it that when EJ does Hot Rod, he incorporates as much of the Roche aesthetic as he can, yet when Guido does him, its just a rehash of the original 80s cartoon design? For me its not just about contradicting the story, but it also comes across as a little bit disrespectful (I'm not saying its intentionally disrespectful, but I dunno, it bothers me a lot).
I really, really liked Guido's Galvatron, Blur and Heart of Darkness designs - unique spins on classic characters that were visually exciting. Meanwhile the clunky toy/sunbow designs are dull, dull, dull.
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Out of all the problems with AHM, the design changes are the ones that irritate me the most. Why is it that all the other artists respect and incorporate each others designs except Guido?
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I could reiterate... I'm just EVIL
More seriously:
I do not decide anything all by myself.
Especially NOT just for the sake of "disrespect" toward other artists' work!
We work as a team, everything is discussed before being put on paper. Every single page, every single design. Ask Denton, Shane or Josh.
Also, I suppose Hasbro has the right to ask IDW to incorporate the TF toy designs whenever possible, no?
Hence the change of Prowl, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe, for example. (Hope revealing this won't cause any trouble!).
That said, why nobody wondered why I based my Cliffjumper heavily on EJ's Bumblebee, instead of using toys?
As for my style, I'm not not "technic" like E.J.'s or Don's, not even closer. I'm one who think about the TF as living characters first, robots then (like in BW, TF Animated).
My background as TF artist is heavily based on the G1/Armada animation art: this maybe be my limit, but I'm proud of it. Hopefully I'm good on other aspects.
Also, I can't please anyone or force myself to not follow my "istinct". I already did that enough in the past, and I won't do that again.
Hope this gives some explanation. 
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Hey, it's still bloody good work, either way.
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